Open -- PIKE NIGHT! (A discussion of TOS' "Operation -- Annihilate!")

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Is this thing on? Hello, hello.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to Open Pike Night. I'm your host, George Samuel Boulds, here tonight to listen

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_07]: to you from some great callers and my co-hosts on stage to discuss pain, loss, and the brightest

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[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: echo off the corridors of the Enterprise for years to come, Jesse Bailey.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's be honest, John. It is early morning and I use the term early very loosely, but

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I have my Open Pike Night Stickered Coffee carafe here ready to go. And good lord,

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_08]: what happened to your beard?

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you cannot just turn your video on halfway through your introduction with no

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_06]: beard and expect us not to react. I think we both deserve medals.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_07]: That was pretty impressive. I was waiting for Jesse to spit take his coffee right into

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_07]: his camera, Cam to just throw his yogurt across the room. Also with me, the man

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_07]: who likes his pancakes with a nice raw bloody center or is it his eggs with a nice

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_07]: raw bloody center? I really can't tell. Host of Green Shirt and Newbie's Trek

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_07]: through the Next Generation, Cameron Harrison.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe if I fly this podcast into the sun, I too can be rid of my parasitic co-hosts.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I kid, I kid. I love you guys. Even without your beard.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Dude, trust me, I know. Tonight we are here to discuss the loss of my beard and

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_07]: the Star Trek, the original series episode Operation Annihilate, which was the

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: 30th and final episode of season one.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Also, did you guys notice what two banger of episodes this one lies between?

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_06]: City on the Edge of Forever, right?

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep. Yep. Proceeded this.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep. Oh, really? Yeah.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Oh, man.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_06]: The poor middle stepchild this episode is.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And you know, I'm even though I am still bleary eyed and not quite bushy tailed,

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I will point out that this is actually episode 29 of the first season.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Because the cage hadn't aired on television.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_07]: The cage hadn't aired.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I got to be that guy.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Calls it 30 IMDB calls it 29.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And we will talk about what the actual monsters from this episode are made of

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_08]: because it is hilarious.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the farting melting dumplings.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what we're talking about.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_06]: You're getting closer.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_07]: So we have some great calls tonight and yeah, we're here to discuss

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_07]: the episode where Sam Kirk dies and man like I this is my first time

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_07]: seeing this episode and I heard heard.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, it's Kirk in a mustache.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't realize it was a quarter second of Kirk in a mustache.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like Star Trek went all Star Wars with Sam Kirk and said, hey,

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_07]: see this minor character and let's make a whole story about him

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_07]: in another series.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's make him a major character compared to what he got.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I hope so.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds like he was just going to be a kind of a joke in the first

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_06]: episode, right?

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And kind of got more and more screen time, especially in the season two.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Thankfully, Dan Janot's, you know, deep research into the character

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_08]: and its mustache is seems to be, you know, a big part of why he stuck around.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm really grateful that not only are we getting a fleshing out of this

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_08]: but that it's it feels.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Meaningful because, yeah, it's it makes this harder to see.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I mean, yes, it is Shatner in a mustache from a different angle,

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_07]: but it's like face paint on.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_07]: He seemed pale.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. Maybe it was the lighting.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Or maybe they just didn't put the face paint on.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: That's true. There's a lot of makeup on in these shows.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_06]: My question is, we've seen a lot of shots of that.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Kirk gets cloned twin brothered

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_06]: roboticized, I don't know so many times.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think it's the same guy that always plays Kirk's back

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_06]: when they're shooting?

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It is probably always that same stunt double.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know the guy's name, but I think he actually ended up

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_08]: like semi famous for playing the other Kirk.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_07]: So that's cool. Good for him.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_08]: But along the lines of what John was saying.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: How do we feel about the actual

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: in episode reveal that Jim has a brother?

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Was it handled better or worse than the first time we heard about Cyborg?

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm of two minds because I will say that

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_06]: having the cold open end on the cliffhanger of,

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, you have a brother and he's in danger.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of refreshing from what we usually get, which is

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: it's a living slinky or we've suddenly time traveled or it's

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: a much more character based, much more kind of down to earth.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And so that was nice, I thought.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_06]: But then when we come back from the cold open,

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_06]: there's a line a little ways into the scene going,

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, you were right back then, back then during the cold open.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_06]: You were right. That is my brother.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So did Kirk just sit there and like pointedly not answer?

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot of sitting there pointedly not answering.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_07]: People in this episode.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of fits, I guess. But yeah. Wow.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_08]: But that that's got to be a relic of old episodic TV.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Like if you miss that cold open and you came in,

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, right as the credits were starting or right after the credits,

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_08]: you need to be caught up to speed.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_08]: They do only do it the one time.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But then I think they mentioned, you know, your sister in law,

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_08]: your nephew, he says my brother.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it happens like 50 times.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's just I mean, getting ahead a little bit.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But I do like how Kirk is like my brother's son.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. And like, oh, wow, you are disassociating hard.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I do think they actually kind of get the

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_06]: the trauma across fairly well for.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. The time period.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And he you know, his attitude on the bridge before they land

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_08]: is pretty well done.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Like he's kind of being overly bossy with the Hura.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And thankfully, she's like, hey, back off.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she's great. She has a great moment.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_07]: He probably woke up like he was.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_07]: He's thinking about his brother.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, man, remember the time she slugged me on the enterprise

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_07]: like back when I was lieutenant?

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I'm a little mad at her right now for this.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_07]: So that's why I was getting all snippy with her.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_07]: That's fair.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right, man.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And talk about a cold open like TOS loves ice cold opens.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Like we are right into the action.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_07]: No captain's logs.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_07]: No, you know, I didn't realize how much TNG softened

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_07]: the blow with captain's logs to open the episodes.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, man, we are chasing in a 200 year old insanity plague

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: across the galaxy, I guess, because that's what they're doing.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And no explanation.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_06]: We are two minutes into the episode when Leonard Nimoy is saying the line

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_06]: mass insanity, destroying civilizations.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_06]: And as a testament to his acting ability, that that's only a little cringy

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_06]: and awkward that line. Yeah.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And it actually I think Spock's I mean,

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll talk a lot about Spock in this episode, but like

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_08]: it actually works for his performance here that he would know Sam Kirk

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_08]: and probably know that Sam Kirk is stationed on this planet

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_08]: before anybody else.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_08]: But he keeps it so buttoned down that I don't know.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It like fits in a strange, like non present way.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Do you kind of wish that when he beamed down

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_06]: and was entered his house and was looking at the dead bodies,

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_06]: he just kind of looked around and was like, please fucking pigsty.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Crumbs everywhere.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_07]: None of these people are wearing red shirts.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_07]: That's another thing, too.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I was just waiting for that red shirt to go like, oh, man.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_07]: You guys, they beamed down with the red shirt to a planet

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_07]: full of insane revers, basically like like pre revers from Firefly.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And like, wow, the red shirt made it out.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: He's fine. Is it the human or?

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: The the red shirt woman whose whose job was to transcribe everything

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: and for the rest of the episode, she is just transcribing everything.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Have a name.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And took her job seriously.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_08]: She beams down standing in a plie.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you guys notice that like her.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. Her feet.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And then as soon as the beam is over, she like sets them forward.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm wondering, I think

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_08]: our friend Mark in the discord was talking about her having an interesting

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: career, and I haven't looked all the way into it yet.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm wondering if maybe she was a dancer.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I mean, it's it's something a lot of actors do.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Like dance is a major part of being a performer, even especially the camera.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Well, shall we hear from one of our callers and start this?

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Start this episode off. All right.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to go with our new caller.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_07]: We have a brand new caller, Sub Commander Tall calling in.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_07]: We had to trim it down a little bit.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_07]: We definitely went past the time limit,

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_07]: but I left a little bit long for a good first time call.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_07]: So let's go ahead.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_07]: That probably happened because this is a Romulan caller, right?

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely. Yeah.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Like they just start regulations.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Too soft.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello. This is Sub Commander Tall from Twitter here.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Her this is not a classic episode.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: It's probably one of the weaker ones from season one.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Although Spock is the character from the original series, who is known

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: for having this tormented inner life or this difficult youth

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: growing up between worlds, you know, with the father like Serak

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and not feeling at home in either place.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And all that is true.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: It's despite that it's really Captain Kirk, who has more bonafide tragedy

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: in his past than Spock has.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: If you think of what happened with Kodos, the executioner on Tarsus 4.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_04]: If you think of him being responsible in some ways

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: for his first captain's death on the Farragut and that gaseous cloud

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and then losing his brother still in the prime of his life.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: The other thing to say about this episode is it's different

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: from many Star Trek episodes where you're dealing with an unknown alien

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that at first seems like a threat and then you find out there's nuance there.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's you there's a an understanding that happens

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: with this is just a bonafide bug hunt and the aliens are are monsters.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But it also goes to show that the Star Trek format was flexible.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, they could do the empathy empathy

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: in reaching out to Allah, the Horde or the creature

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and metamorphosis or even the Gorn.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But they could also do the alien style,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, just got to kill them all approach.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, it's an interesting episode that woman are all her screams

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_04]: are through the roof.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I've always thought you should have that as an alarm clock.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Whoever that actress is, she does a great job at just ear piercing screams.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's it's fun, always fun to see original Star Trek on location

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: as it was in this episode.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And that I think it was TRW at the time or maybe Northrop Grumman

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: office park. I forget which anyway.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Hope the podcast is great. Bye.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Joanne True, sub commander.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_08]: You brought up some great points.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And yes, you did.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I am very interested to talk about some of them now.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I have to agree completely on the aliens here.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm glad that you brought up the aliens from alien

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_08]: in relation to this, because I had that in my head

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_08]: like half this episode.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, I need to know if if Ridley Scott.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, was it Ridley Scott? Yeah, it was Ridley Scott, not Tony.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I just needed to know if he had seen this episode

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: before creating aliens, because there is there are some real

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_08]: sharp parallels here.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like getting even some Lovecraft vibes

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_08]: from these things at first.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, man, this is really very cool

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_08]: to see such a different take on the potential enemy

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_08]: in a Star Trek episode.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And to your point, in the original script for this episode,

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_08]: it ended with the Enterprise flying to the aliens home planet

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: and basically nuking it to.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wow. Destroy the influence of these creatures.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_08]: The only way we can be sure that's.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah. They can bill me.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's it's really, really interesting.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_08]: And there's there's some really cool behind the scenes

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_08]: stuff about this episode.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_08]: But I also want to say thank you for calling.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_08]: We every time we get a new caller, we're like, hey, man,

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_08]: that's really cool.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_08]: People are still listening to the show and still finding the show.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And we're glad to add your voice to the open Pike Night stage.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I'm going to tell.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I just had a bit of revelation that either John is going to join me

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_06]: with or maybe he already knows, but you bring up a good point

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_06]: that Spock has this tragic backstory.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He is tormented by his past, maybe more so than any other character.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Though, as John likes to point out,

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_06]: you cannot join Starfleet unless you are an orphan

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: or have some other sort of tragic past.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_06]: And really, compared to almost every other character,

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_06]: at least in T&G, I'm thinking of Spock's had it pretty good.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Like his family was not killed on Kiddum or no.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Where was where his worst family killed anyway and then raised by humans?

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: He was not escaping through underground tunnels from rape gangs.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_06]: He was not

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_06]: did not have a husband die in a fiery death

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: at the hands of someone you have a burning crush on.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, is that how that went down?

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. Anyway.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Spock does come across as very, very emo

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_06]: when you look at him in the the palette of the entire

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Star Trek character, who?

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_08]: It's that inner turmoil, Cameron.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_08]: He's a child of two worlds.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, some kids didn't like me at school and dad was hard on me.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_06]: But dead still alive. My mom really loved me.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. My brother's still alive.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_07]: My sister's still alive.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Well, as far as he knows.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But I so a take that I really like on Spock.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't remember where I heard this.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_08]: It may have been it's got Star Trek, but Spock,

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_08]: if you really look at him, kind of has a similar thing going on to wharf.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Where he's like super dedicated to the Klingon side of himself

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_08]: and like immersing himself in the culture and being like a huge fanboy

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_08]: of all the most traditional things with that culture.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_08]: But it's like a lot of other Vulcans we meet are just kind of chill

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: in comparison, like, yeah, they talk in a similar way,

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_08]: but like they're not necessarily all about every tenant of the culture

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_08]: the way that Spock is.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_08]: So maybe some of that turmoil is self-inflicted.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. And I like the point

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Subcomandor Tal makes, like this is an extermination.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_07]: This is an annihilation operation.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_07]: They don't try and understand the aliens at all.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_07]: And I really like that as like the parasitic alien taking over people

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_07]: and, you know, like trying to spread culture that way.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_07]: We don't ever hear their voice.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_07]: It is just the people who are infected, who are like,

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_07]: it hurts if I do something wrong.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's all that's all we get.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, the guys are like, I we don't want to hurt you.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_07]: We could run away because we don't want to attack you.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_07]: But we have to or we're going to be in agony.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's it's just like, you know, I love when people say,

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_07]: oh, we don't like DS 9 because it's dark.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, like there's all these prime directive and all that.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, no, this is kill these aliens as best we can do.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Do all the killing possible.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're super creepy.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, not to look at, but when we're we're told how they function.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. Like they're just well, when we're told that their brain cells,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_06]: like, yeah, my imagination, sir, were at first I was like Galactus.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Are we fighting Galactus now?

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like so big.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_06]: But then like, or are we suggesting that the entire galaxy exists

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_06]: within the brain of this even larger alien?

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Or some ideas I thought this episode kind of brought up and then quickly ignored.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah, it's interesting, Cameron, because I know there's an episode

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_08]: and I think it's after this one where they I mean, they invent the

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_08]: oh, no, this nebula is a creature trope.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I I wonder if it was at least partially inspired by this.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And I I couple things like if their brain cells,

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_08]: how are they making any sound?

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_08]: First of all, is that like purely because they're wet

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_08]: and they're on flat surfaces?

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I mean, that's kind of what the sounds sound like. But

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_08]: the description that Spock gives of these aliens

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_08]: once he realizes what they are is eerily similar

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_08]: to the original description we hear of the Borg.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm hmm.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I was thinking of the Borg a lot in this part of a greater whole.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_08]: No individual will exist only to replicate like

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_07]: I might have new respect for the Borg.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And also, like willing to kill if you don't

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_07]: if you don't get in line, if you stray too far out of line,

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_07]: they're willing to torture you to death.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, man, OK, yeah, because they don't apparently latch on.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_07]: They don't latch on and stay and take over.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_07]: They just infect and control.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And like, man, this yeah, this is honestly a little scarier than Borg

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_07]: because it's like they'll just off you.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_07]: They're not there to add to their numbers if they don't have to.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_06]: And they can be invisible once they infect you.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know about you guys, but I've never seen a K-3 indicator that high.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, seriously, especially once you turned it on.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_07]: The what I what I loved imagining while watching these things like

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_07]: you remember those toys, like the half rubber ball toys

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_07]: from the 80s and 90s that you flipped inside out and they jumped on like

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_07]: that's that's how those things move. Right.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Just you hear a popping sound and then it flies in the air.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Oh, you mean the ones that if you put it on your skin

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and left too long, they would kill you.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. Yeah.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_07]: You just you go to school the next day with like five hickeys.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like even middle school is like, how does that kill you?

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I don't know if this is true.

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_06]: That was the Internet doesn't exist.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I was going to say this is an Internet lie.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that was before the Internet when memes were spread by word of mouth.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly. You can do your high like slap.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. So it's will cut your throat if you're not careful.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. All kinds of stuff.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, so now is the time that I may as well jump in with this.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you guys have a guess as to what these aliens are actually made of?

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Hmm. Well, I mean, I would have just said like gelatin or something.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I mean.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Like breast implants.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's a good guess.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, yeah, I just figured like balloons of like latex

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_07]: balloons custom shaped with more liquid latex poured on them.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't know, Jit and I'm guessing not.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So they are actually made from bags of fake vomit.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like that was my joke is, oh, obviously the colonists

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_06]: ordered too many of the fake vomits from the back of their comic books.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_08]: It's literally what they are made of.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I should have just gone with that.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Dang, that's what they reminded me of.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That's so funny. We can't see Cameron's notes.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_06]: How many did it take to make one alien? Right.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Because they were thicker. Yeah.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_06]: They had more body mass.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to know why there was so much red coloration.

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm hoping that's not healthy.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, no vomit is healthy, technically, but that is really sick vomit.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's not good at all.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Actually, John, the vomit that you vomit when you're slightly too drunk and

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah, not having a good time anymore.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And then you vomit and then you're fine.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_08]: That's as close as to a healthy vomit as you can get.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_07]: There we go. Open Bike Night firmly supports boot and rally according to Jesse.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if you got to you got to.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_07]: All right. We have platy.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, open bike night.

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Paladium three back with my hit shit said misses for Operation Annihilate.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Starting with the hit Kirk and company down on the planet

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: stun those angry guys as they got rushed.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Definitely a four for four hit with spot Kirk and McCoy Scotty

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: nicely coordinating their shots to luckily take out four different guys.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're also quite lucky the red shirt, a couple of steps behind them

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't hit them.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got his phaser out pointed at their backs.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Another hit here are walking stack of books.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, Kirk, what an amazing realization that stars put out like

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_09]: get that man against.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. Shit.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, McCoy's frontier medicine compared to like Beshear is computer shit.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Beshear pulled out all nighters trying to cure people.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: McCoy just shoved Spock in a light chamber without even waiting

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: like five minutes for test results to come back.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, Spock closed your damn eyes, man.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Eyes are wide open when those lights turn on.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Also another shit.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Kirk's ability to play call on the planet was questionable.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: He yells out fan out. Follow me.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Did he really want them to spread themselves out or just line up behind him?

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's how you get red shirts killed.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. And Sam dying.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That was shit.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Misses totally missing lighting here in the surgery scene.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: McCoy and Chappell have Spock sliced open,

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: yet there's only enough lighting to see half of Christine's face.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Come on, man.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Look, a switch turn another light on and staying with the lighting.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Did I somehow miss that extra sunlight would penetrate down

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: into a closed dark area like they said those little floating

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: amoeba things hiding in air vents and underground

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: are somehow going to get enough light to kill them.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess if you can poke around Spock in the dark,

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: you can pretty much do anything.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_06]: My mind to yours, Platy, so many of the same thoughts, including, yeah,

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I just thought it would have been funny if they had all fired on one

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_06]: of those guys down on the planet and then the other three are like,

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, cool, and then just rush them and that knock him out.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But that one guy would have just gotten blasted.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Like if you get hit with more than one phaser, does it affect you more?

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Does it still just stay at the double stunned?

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Is it? Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good question.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Is double standard equivalent to vaporize?

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Like with Jesse's question earlier, I have to wonder,

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_07]: did Joel Schumacher see this episode before he made Batman and Robin

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_07]: be and come up with the exact same solution of satellite saving

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_07]: is a Batman or is it poison ivy just doing that?

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Man forever. Right.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Batman forever. Right.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_07]: As yeah, I was there.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I missed a freeze and ivy.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, OK. Yeah.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Batman and Robin.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, same exact ending to save the planet with man.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_07]: They really updated the effects on that shot. Yeah.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And I definitely also thought the same thing with Platy that like, wait,

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_06]: light can penetrate even the darkest, most closed off regions.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, yes, some light can white light cannot.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: And they didn't need the white light.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_06]: But of course, at the time, McCoy didn't know that they

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_06]: are and Spock didn't know that they didn't need the white light.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_06]: So yes and no. Yeah.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_08]: So a couple things here first completely agree

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_08]: that they obviously updated the visuals on this satellite sequence.

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_08]: But oh, it is.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_08]: It's still bad ass.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Like that's a great sequence.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the enterprise is like, all right, let's dump 200 satellites.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And you're like, OK, that's what's in all the cargo bays.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. And like, apparently so.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Always hear about cargo bays and seeing like racks of barrels.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_08]: But you never know what's in there.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, unless it gave Sulu his only line for the episode.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah. Now, the other thing is like,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_08]: was this written in a time when they didn't know light

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_08]: was just a form of radiation because McCoy is like, I've tried radiation.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Tried all these different things.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And then it ends up actually being radiation that fixes this problem.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_07]: And also written at a time where they didn't know the harms

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_07]: of ultraviolet light, like, oh, this wouldn't have made him blind,

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_07]: shining a ton of ultraviolet light.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, yeah, man, OK, really would.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_08]: And there is no way

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_08]: that the light McCoy pumped into that cubicle was anywhere

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_08]: close to a million candle power. OK, no.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I I got a little upset at this, you guys.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And I know that it's because it's, you know, a low budget TV show.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_08]: But sunlight on Earth produces about

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: one hundred and twenty seven thousand lumens and can damage your eyes.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, of course. Right.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Like meaning that the light bulb in this cubicle is meant

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_08]: to represent almost eight times the brightness of the sun per square inch.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's it's very clearly a 60 watt bulb.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I mean, Spock gets a lot more in the wrath of Khan

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_07]: that he does in his chamber.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Why not? Why not?

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Why the screen out when that happens?

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_08]: That was like like that would have been fun.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And it would kind of be more immersive.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, I I know that it is a nitpick, but that's what we do as Trekkies.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you say he tried all these things.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, like McCoy just gives up so quick this whole episode.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he doesn't. He tries heat and radiation.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And then he's like, well, either it's him or Kirk.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_06]: They're like, well, there's all these other things.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_06]: They start going through these things as if like, well, it couldn't be that.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, why wouldn't you think gravity before light?

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Like he is flying closer to one of the biggest gravity wells in the universe.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And you're not going to try that, that that might separate

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_06]: the parasite from the body.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know that make I would jump to that before light.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. And if he had apparently they were warping toward the sun in that scene,

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_07]: if you pay attention to that line later, like you go to sub warp speed

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_07]: like you were warping toward the sun.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Warp one.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Warp is warp.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Like where they you shouldn't be.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I was definitely also wondering if there are getting flashbacks

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: of Beverly flying into the sun.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Oh, we're shuttle.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And she does that twice in like four episodes, doesn't she?

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, a shuttle and then in a ship.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_06]: This one was the shuttle. Yeah.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I there were a couple, you know, little nitpicks that I had with that.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, if McCoy had just consulted Dr.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Mbenga, who is an expert on Vulcan physiology,

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_08]: he probably would have known this spark had this extra eyelid,

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_08]: which we will definitely come back to.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_07]: All right. Let's hear from another caller.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_07]: We have Melanie.

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So my first thoughts of Sam Kirk and Strangely Rules were like, oh, man,

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: what a nerd, like the colleague you all have,

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: who just makes our eyes twitch by existing.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I became kind of attached to him.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a bigot or a nerd, unable to read rooms,

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: writing Spock up every time. So, so funny.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And I could imagine Pike trapped in a place with him and Spock

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and Pike with many in between them praying for rescue,

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: not because of danger, but because he can't handle another second

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: of the bickering.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So knowing what happens to him makes me kind of sad.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Poor Arulan, poor Peter.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_00]: We never hear from them again.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I'm sorry he will die there.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The T.S. episode, so was quite good.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_00]: A nice monster of the victim with flying harpoon bags.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Just well done.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And Shatner with mustache as Sam was OK for me.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, those are my thoughts.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Take care and live long and prosper.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_08]: I do like the bottom Pike trapped. Yeah.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I was going to say, I'm glad you brought that up

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_08]: because a lot of this episode kind of reminds me of pieces

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_08]: of the ghosts of Illyria.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: You've got an organism that is sensitive to light.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You've got a planet that people beam down to,

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: expecting to run into a population and then do not.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And it almost feels like foreshadowing to have Sam help out

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_08]: with the solution in strange new worlds

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_08]: to this crazy light based organism, only to fall

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_08]: to these organisms that are weak to very specific kinds of light.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It's it is so subtle.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: But I have to believe, you know, with the showrunners

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_08]: being such big T.O.S. fans that that was probably taken

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_08]: into consideration for that episode.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_06]: At least partly inspired by. Yeah.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's a point where when they're discussing

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_06]: how their brain cells and like this very strange, unique organism,

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, man, if only they had a really talented

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_06]: exobiologist nearby. Oh, damn.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they kind of do. He's over there on the floor.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Waiting for his his his plates to come back.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, he died doing what he likes,

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_07]: but studying some kind of alien parasite.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. Now up close and personal to very up close and personal.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you guys notice that McCoy is kind of talking like he has a toothache

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_07]: for like half of this episode?

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_07]: He's talking like he is like drunk, but has the point

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_07]: where you're feeling good drunk, where you're just like,

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to be done being drunk when he is describing

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_07]: all the parasite tendrils through the body and stuff with Kirk on the bridge.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, dude, do you just need to go take a nap?

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, yeah, what's going on, McCoy?

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Or he's got like a great big dip in.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like trying not to let it leak out because

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: there's a couple of scenes where he is like, swear he's not moving half of his face.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, is he in unbelievable pain right now while filming this?

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, wouldn't that be ironic for the doctor to be

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_06]: like, Nemoy can't out act me here?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so him.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I'll have a toothache in the scene.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I know. And and like, you know, people always describe McCoy as being

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_07]: pretty super grumpy.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And I my experience with him is mostly the movies where he's not

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_07]: nearly as grumpy as he comes across in episodes like this.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm like, oh, here it is. OK.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Like he really is just on one all the time in this episode.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_07]: And like I said, Kim, fine, I tried this.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I tried this.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, like I'm done.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_07]: And he does the Paul Rudd, wet hot American summer thing,

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_07]: throws the alien across the room and leaves that leaves the medical bay.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, no, I was just going to say,

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_06]: like, I think it would work if it felt like he had been doing more.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_06]: But he just keeps coming out and being like, I tried this and didn't work.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Don't know what to do. Yeah.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And as you're saying, like, yeah, how about we just convey

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_06]: that you're spending more time and effort on this than it seems you are?

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But we do get a nice character moment from him

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_08]: where he tells Kirk to his face straight across.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, Spock is the best first officer in the fleet.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, which is nice, but.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of weird that Kirk then implies that if Spock

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_08]: really is the best first officer, he'll survive an insane level

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_08]: of exposure to impossibly bright light.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Like that's on your list of criteria for best first officers

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: that they can live through stuff. OK.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_07]: When McCoy says somebody is bright, he literally means

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_07]: they can stand a lot of light.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's how we learned that word.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, I think some of his cockiness as a doctor

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_08]: probably comes from the fact that his sick bay

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_08]: has more comfortable looking pillows than literally the rest of all of Star Trek.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes. Yeah, yes.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Before this, I love these shiny flat pillows like none of them.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_07]: We just need nice, soft pillows.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, those came from McCoy's Nana's house.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Seriously, because every other pillow from here on out, it's like

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_08]: comfort is the last consideration when designing these.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like that's what a pillow is.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the essence of comfort.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You're just supposed to be comfortable on it. Come on.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you can tell sick base comfortable because he's wearing a sick

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_07]: bay hospital gown as his uniform for the for the episode.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Like he and Spock are wearing the same thing.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And speaking of Spock, I I really liked

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_07]: like just how much Nimoy got to just have have fun portraying.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, yeah, I'm in pain.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm fighting this like this was a lot of meaty Spock role here.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_06]: He does such a good job of conveying just constantly being on the edge.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_06]: It's a coming to pain for like over half this episode.

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's remarkable. I mean, it's really good.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_06]: He does a great job.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_06]: It really is very impressive.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_08]: This is a great episode to illustrate the trifecta of Kirk Spock McCoy.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it really does get to that central relationship of the series

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: of how, you know, a lot of times Spock and McCoy represent,

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, the haves or the parts of Kirk.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Like here's the logical part you need as a captain.

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's the emotional part.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_08]: You got to trust your gut.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_08]: But in this episode, we really get them all three as their own characters.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And it really just works.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's I mean, you know, it's it's what makes Star Trek five good.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. And going back to what I was saying about the cold open, I

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, because you don't need Sam Kirk in this episode, right?

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you don't need Kirk's family to be down there.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_06]: They could I mean, Spock's in trouble.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_06]: We know that's enough to motivate Kirk.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But I think they did do a good job.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, again, it feels kind of refreshing.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't get that a lot.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_06]: You don't get that kind of personal character pain that Kirk is in.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_06]: He's an emotional pain while Spock's in physical pain.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I just realized in this episode.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought that did add a nice layer to this episode where,

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_06]: as we've said, not a lot of stuff makes sense.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But I do think those kind of core emotional

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_06]: drives do come across really well for the time period.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, so speaking of Sam.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Why did McCoy flip his body over and go, is this your brother, Kirk?

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Like they are clearly identical twins.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Really, McCoy, like, are you just a bad doctor sometimes?

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Are you actually drunk on duty?

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But that one had a mustache.

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_06]: That one had a mustache. It wasn't identical.

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_06]: They're clearly related.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_06]: We know by John just appearing with no beer, they can be, you know,

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: it takes a second to get used to.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Is this your producer?

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: But I will use that for an intro.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Damn, and I and I'll also note that, you know, last

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_08]: last episode, we talked about how truly impressive and solid the ADR was.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But in this episode, that is not the case.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_08]: The first scene where McCoy is explaining what he thinks is going on.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a big jump where he's he says something like as if this happened

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_08]: to their bodies or something, and his mouth is just open like, yeah,

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: doesn't move.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_07]: It was all same with when

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Kirk is wrestling the alien off Spock's back and helping him up.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, yeah, OK, I guess you're talking over this fast forwarded footage.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, and the slight stain that the alien leaves on Spock's uniform.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, like that was a good that was a good touch.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, gross.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And probably not something they had to consider,

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_08]: probably something that just happened because of how the aliens were created.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_07]: All right, let's hear from our buddies. Oh.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, goodbye.

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_05]: This is all you see what they did.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: They they did it.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_05]: They they killed they killed them.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I can do that.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: How can Sam be taken out by a

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_05]: a snot pancake?

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: This isn't right.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want it.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want it. I don't want it.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_05]: How could they do that?

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And how was McCoy asking Jim, is this your brother?

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, are you looking at him?

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You can't see that as brother.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And don't tell me that he couldn't see him because the

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: he the head wasn't facing him.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_05]: You can see enough of Sam to know that that was Sam.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Didn't it look like Jim with a mustache?

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Now, could you not know that I was Jim's brother?

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And what's that with Spock and Vulcans?

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Did they just walk around the planet blind half the time and going,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I forgot that I could go blind because my son is so blazingly bright.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_05]: They just forget.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_05]: They're like, oh, I forgot.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I treat it like an appendix.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: What's what's wrong with Vulcans?

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Why did they kill Sam?

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I got to I got to talk to a counselor or something.

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't they have counselors on ships?

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't I can't do I got to go.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: They killed Sam.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Man, does though taking it up a notch.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Does anybody commit the way that Zoe commits every single call?

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you guys send every episode.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_08]: We are lucky to have Zoe in our audience and on our stage.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, like Spock this whole episode as Zoe mentioned,

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: like really, man, you forgot you have an extra eyelid

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_08]: specifically to deal with wavelengths of light,

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: but also really calm and cool under pressure.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, very good first officer.

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Also, Spock would be like really good at football.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you guys notice that it took four people to put him down?

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And yeah, oh, yeah.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_07]: They did a great job of conveying the Vulcan strength.

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. So without saying it, yeah, I feel like sometimes they kind of forget

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_06]: that Vulcans have super strength. Yeah.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_08]: He straight tosses Sulu is nothing like I was going to say.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Sulu only gets one line, but yeah, he gets he gets to tussle the Spock.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: That's all right.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Now, if I may, Zoe, you're overacting

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_06]: did make me think of Arielle.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Is that her name?

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Arreland, Arrela, Arrela, Arrela.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_06]: We all just pronounce it differently.

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: There is this so there's the interesting scene where she's in the bed

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_06]: and she's kind of we're getting our first kind of a little bit

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_06]: of an exposition dump from her.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's one of those I wonder how it played in the day, because

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_06]: like I've seen scenes like that in movies nowadays

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_06]: where someone's just describing the terrors that are happening.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_06]: They don't really know the words, but it gets really creepy.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, there's sort of like the my arm's been back in Twin Peaks.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I know there's some other examples I can't think of, but we're like,

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_06]: it's just yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Where they're just describing something and you get goosebumps.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like this thing could have been that there were moments

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_06]: that were like where she said creepy things.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But of course, it's that day player

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: 60s acting just drives away any sort of like mood or creep or tension.

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So I wonder if it worked back in the day better.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And I believe her first line, something along the lines of

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_08]: the things that came and then she screams.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that clip then I think that's actually used in a Power Man 5000 song.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, the writing there was interesting for sure.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And to me, that's what was giving the Lovecraft vibes, right?

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_08]: There's some kind of unknown thing.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And like even people that have experienced it

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: aren't really able to describe what's going on.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, it's scary.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And I hope that the people of Denva are as even keeled as Spock

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_08]: because they are about to have to clean up the grossest mess ever.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I wonder why you're saying that, Jesse, because I was wondering

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_06]: because the first one we see doesn't melt.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the last ones we see down on the planet melt.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But there's still a lot of residue.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Are they all just shitting their pants massively?

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Planet just exhuming the melted bodies of these parasites

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_06]: from any orifice possible.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like those videos where they have to like pull the worms out an inch every day.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what I was going for, Cam.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I I'll say it right now.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't appreciate the popping subreddit

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_08]: and I don't appreciate that there is a whole show called Dr.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Pimple Popper, like like I agree.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Just those words together.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's creepy. That gives me goose.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I get it like intellectually.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I get it, but I do not appreciate it.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_08]: And I just want that to be known.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_08]: This is not a pro videos of pimple popping podcast.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_08]: The absolute that again.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, absolutely.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_08]: So excuse me.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: The original ending of this episode, another well, probably another draft

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_08]: ending actually had a scene where Jim allows Peter to go back down to the planet

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_08]: and keep working.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's with like Sam's assistant or something,

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_08]: which is maybe a character we didn't meet here.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, the wiki said his partner and I was like, ooh, how progressive.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, right.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_08]: But the other original piece of this script was that it was not Kirk's brother.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_08]: A real one was meant to be the first person they encounter,

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_08]: and she was just in love with the character who drove the ship into the sun.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So I feel like they really managed to punch this up

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_08]: from whatever it was originally, because like you were saying, Cam,

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_08]: there's part of you that's like, oh, really, it's got to be his brother.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But it creates this whole layer of like you have a responsibility

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_08]: to the remaining millions of colonists.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is a good scene.

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_08]: This can't be your white whale hunt, right?

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, it does also make me wonder, like,

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_08]: why was Kirk I mean, I know why Kirk was so much more

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_08]: torn up about the death of Spock, but it kind of makes you think like,

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_08]: oh, there's going to be a scene in season three of Strange New Worlds

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_08]: where Sam and Jim have like a huge falling out.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's like, fine, go to Denver then.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't even care. I hope you don't die there.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, I was I was like, now that we have Strange New Worlds,

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_06]: it makes you think what their last words together were,

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and they probably weren't great. Yeah.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, it was funny going into the episode.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I was already kind of writing some notes in my head about like, oh, well,

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, we've seen how Kirk is affected by Spock's death.

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And why is he not affected by Sam's death and anywhere near the same way?

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_06]: But again, I think like, I mean, it's underplayed, but I mean,

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_06]: purposefully so, I think. Yeah.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think it does feel like it affects him in a big way.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, you know, it's a different situation

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_06]: than in the middle of a nebula with Khan chasing you and separated

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_06]: by a pane of glass and watching them die.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, and you could argue that it worked well enough

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_06]: that I did not write that note down. Yes.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And you could argue that he is trying to keep it buttoned up

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_08]: because his nephew is still there.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And he's understanding like, OK, this is, you know, I'm

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm now all this kid has left as far as family goes.

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But I do want to talk about this kid because no,

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_08]: he doesn't have any lines in this episode.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Apparently, he had one in his eyes. Right.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Apparently, he had one in the original.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I think they actually filmed that scene where he goes back down to the planet.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_08]: But it was cut. So he ends up with no lines.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But this child actor also ends up in another episode

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_08]: that is very child centric of the original series.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And he has lines.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, I don't dislike all child actor performances or anything.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_08]: But like 60s child actor performances are

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: are a different series, a different story maybe. But

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_08]: this actor is very impactful

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_08]: to the universe of Star Trek.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And I will explain after John plays the following sound clip.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_08]: You certainly recognize this as the Vager sound from Star Trek.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_08]: The motion picture, Peter Kirk is played by Craig Hunley.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And not only would he be in another episode of TOS, as I mentioned,

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_08]: he invented the blaster beam,

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_08]: which is the musical instrument that makes that sound.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Hell, yeah.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I thought that was just a techno remix of the little aliens farting.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_06]: It could be, but maybe that's where his inspiration came from.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, that's cool.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_08]: The dude went on to become like an actual musician.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_08]: He's got albums out like I was blown away because when I clicked on his name,

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I was thinking like, oh, he'll have been in, you know, two episodes of Lassie

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_08]: and an episode of Little Home on the Prairie or something like I had no idea.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, like, I mean, Star Trek takes care of its actors whenever it can.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. Like once you are, please tell me we can go out and find a very

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_07]: blaster beam Christmas album.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, yes.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And if not, Peter, get on blaster beam, blaster beam, blaster all the way.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Peter is still around, so it's possible that that could be coming.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I was very delighted to find out that not only did he get to keep

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_08]: contributing to Star Trek, but that he is currently still alive

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_08]: as of this recording.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Very cool. Oh, cool. Yeah.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And before we go to our next caller, Mark, I liked

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_07]: you mentioned the McCoy reminding Kirk that this isn't just about his family,

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_07]: that it is about a million people.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think my favorite piece of writing this episode is when Kirk

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_07]: one ups him is like, oh, yeah, well, I might have to kill that

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_07]: million people to save a billion people on other planets.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So how's that feel, McCoy?

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I'm going to go back to my captain, my ship.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. The professional zinger is like a staple of the original series writing.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was very well done.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's hear from Mark.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, open pike, not engineer Mark here.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And today you're going all the way back into the beginnings

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: of my trek for Operation Annihilate.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And as much as last episode you guys watched was so great

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: on the cinematography, well, this time now they know

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: they're at the end of a season.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They know they're renewed and you can see it.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Starting with the special effects of the flying omelette

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: stingray monsters and just basic camera work was really bad in some places.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we get into the actual story where, yeah, Sam Kirk dies.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And Dr. McCoy, you have one job on this ship and you failed at it.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: There is not a he's dead Jim for our friend Sam.

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Totally blew it.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: As far as the rest of the episode is concerned, yeah, there's

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there's things that I would pick on like the usual ship security is atrocious.

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're going to restrain the Vulcan with Velcro.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. OK, you do that.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And it just carries along to a point where at the end of the episode,

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of glad they had finally figured out

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they could kill it with light in a space air fryer.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was probably the best part of the episode.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So until next time, live long and prosper.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. People who love Star Trek don't like episodes.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Anybody else is the best.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Suddenly want space mozzarella sticks or like space wings

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_08]: because the space air fryer is really making me hungry.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely. It was a cool looking space air fryer and cool

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_07]: goggles to go with it.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I like that everyone came up with different food analogies for these aliens.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, Mark, there will one I do have to note that like

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_06]: the music does a lot of heavy lifting in this episode.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_06]: There's some good music and then there's like just scenes

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_06]: where like we can't show what we're talking about.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_06]: So the music's doing everything.

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I also noticed there was an interesting scene

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_06]: where the camera is whipping between characters on the bridge.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's kind of a cool tense moment.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_06]: But it's like the cameraman was like, look, you got me for two whips

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_06]: because he whips the Kirk, he whips someone else.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it just starts cutting between people.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_06]: But the tension didn't change.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, why didn't you just keep whipping?

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_06]: That was cool.

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It was really he threw out his back.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Or he was the first guy to ever do that with a camera on a TV show.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_08]: And they were like, I don't know if that's going to read, man.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Seems kind of commie to me.

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_07]: You know what we're doing running around the camera here.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_07]: What are 66?

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Now, to Mark's point about the special effects,

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, when I was growing up,

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_08]: which, you know, we'll just say that was semi recently.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember adults talking about like, oh, yeah, you know,

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Star Trek was good and it was fun, but you could like see the strings

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_08]: on the enterprise and all this stuff.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And I haven't had the benefit of seeing all the original footage, right?

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I mostly have watched the remastered series.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But I do also wonder, like,

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_08]: first of all, are you for sure?

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Because like this was like way lower than regular standard

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_08]: definition TV the first time you saw it.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And I kind of wonder if they're referring to moments

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_08]: like where these aliens air quotes fly off of the wall, right?

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Because you can see that that was done with a string.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. You cannot see the string.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And now I'm interested to see the original footage.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to know if there's like flashes of fishing line between

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_08]: aliens in this episode.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Speaking of the in the like,

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_06]: despite the wonkiness of like, yeah, blasting him with a million lumens

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_06]: and everything, I did think again that they managed to convey the weight

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_06]: of blinding the first officer pretty well,

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_06]: considering that was like just a five minute sequence.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_06]: And we all know that Spock is not blind after this.

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought the they carried the emotional punch of that well.

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_06]: And I do wonder, again,

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_06]: what these strange new worlds of it all was Spock thinking of him

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_06]: or in that moment when he stepped out of the box and realized he can see.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. And we know that in modern TV, if this were an episode today,

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_07]: he would not regain his vision. Right.

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Like this is the final episode of the season.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_07]: He's ending the season blind.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. We have no idea if he'll get it back.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_07]: And like, who knows? He could not.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, that's a good point.

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_07]: That's I hadn't had that in my notes.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I always try and add our strange new worlds knowledge

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_07]: into my notes for this, but I hadn't even thought about Hemmer

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_07]: and him being blind and Spock like and I'm kind of being ours.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Spock was definitely better at controlling his emotions,

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, because he sees Sam Kirk dead, too.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, man, those guys were, you know, there was a bromance there, too.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_07]: He bromance both Kirk's.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He was probably thinking finally a clean table in the mess hall.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And I also wonder if he was inspired by Hemmer

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_08]: to lash out at McCoy with the nastiest burn ever.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Like he uses his moment of regaining sight

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_08]: to just torch the guy that blinded him.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So nasty.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Every upside is it every episode just ends with a man crush ending,

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_06]: but like it's pretty common at least a very high percentage of them.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And I just love it.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Like no matter the tone, no matter what's happened, you're like,

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_06]: well, I know the last three minutes are going to be all of them.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Just having a little throuple moment growing out.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. Yeah. And they're going to give us that like, wasn't that fun?

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't everything fun music that done?

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_07]: My brother's dead, but we still joke.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Speaking of brothers dead, we have our final caller.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, here is Abby Summer.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hey, open pike.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Abby Summer from the First Flight podcast.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: This episode's a doozy, isn't it?

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I love practical effects,

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but the flying pancakes of rubber

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: snot that ooze and cry and bark like seals

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: are definitely an unforgettable moment.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure their success rate.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: However, the Vulcan inner eyelid chef's kiss.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Great solution.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And what a cool addition to the lore.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And this episode has has it all.

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It has Shatner being so Shatner in his delivery.

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got an emotional spark.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got the dramatic lighting.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got the 60s makeup.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got chapel again.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a fun episode.

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Campy is all get out, but fun and poor Sam.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if nothing else, he's been remembered for decades

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: for having a great mustache.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that this tiny little one off character

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: who was not even important enough to cast with a new actor

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: has given us the rich character that we now have in Strange New World.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So Bravo.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I love what Strange New World does to classic trek,

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: recontextualizing it and making us think about it more

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and more of that's coming.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So can't wait to see what happens with Sam in the next season

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and what you guys have to say about this

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely campy hilarious episode.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Hope you and yours are well. Talk soon.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_08]: OK, Abby brings up a lot that I still need to talk about from my notes.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_08]: We do get some great scenes with Christine here.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I think my favorite one is when McCoy is like analyzing the creature

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_08]: and he looks at her and doesn't say anything, but she looks back to it.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, yes, it's very gross.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's like

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_08]: that's like the whole scene.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But it does, you know, knowing her history with Spock,

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_08]: it kind of adds more weight to the scene

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_08]: where he just pushes past her to get out of the sick day.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like tiny little moments like that.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_08]: It really feels like it has been fleshed out.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm very appreciative of that to her questions about season three.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And I know you guys always talk about small universe syndrome,

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: et cetera, et cetera.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't disagree with that.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_08]: But do we think we might get to at least meet

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_08]: or real in in season three?

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Like maybe there's a conference.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_08]: There's been a suspicious lack of conferences in Strange New Worlds

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_08]: compared to a lot of Star Trek.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I was watching this being like, oh, I'm surprised we haven't met

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_06]: these characters yet.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like that that would do user characters

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_06]: that would make sense to be introduced to.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, maybe they're on another planet.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Who knows? Like like they could be visited easily.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Because Sam is right now what he's on the Gorn ship.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I believe so.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_07]: And when was how long has he been on that Gorn ship, guys?

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Refresh me.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_07]: It's not.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's not talk about it.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Let me check the hash marks on my wall.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I would love.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I know we keep making the messy Sam jokes,

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_06]: but like if Spock and O'Reill got together

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and were just commiserating about messy Sam.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Does he do that at home all the time?

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. That'd be fun.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_08]: That I don't let him anywhere near the kitchen.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_08]: But I also agree with Abby that I actually really like,

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_08]: you know, despite the execution being a little bit wonky,

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I really like the inner eyelid thing with Spock

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_08]: because it's the writers recognizing, hey,

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_08]: we need to at least attempt to explain this. Right.

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, this is an episode where we just went,

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_08]: oh, Kirk has a brother, by the way.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Also, he's dead.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_08]: So we need to give something to this.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And for them to kind of jump into

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_08]: like an ecological evolution thing is pretty cool.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, oh, yeah, because Vulcan is a desert planet

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_08]: with a super intense sun, which, you know,

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_08]: we eventually learn is true.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_08]: We have this thing and it's like, OK, that's good enough.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Just just give us a couple of lines.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_08]: And then, you know, throughout TOS,

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_08]: there are times where they remember to do that

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_08]: and times where they don't. Yeah.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, reminded me a lot of right.

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Another moment where a Star Trek doctor thought she had

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_06]: almost or in this case killed a patient only to find out,

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_06]: oh, we've got two spines. Yep.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Like very similar situation.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_07]: They didn't reuse that exact thing.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_07]: And we haven't even mentioned yet Scotty in this episode, who one

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_07]: obviously takes after Pelley because he was an engineering advisor before

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_07]: before he was on the enterprise.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_07]: He talks about his time doing that.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And also he gets one up on Spock and he hold like he holds Spock

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_07]: off from transporting to the planet.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_07]: And I really I enjoyed that the whole no, no, no, I'm fine.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I can, you know, Spock being like, nope, I'm fine now.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm all good.

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like trying to go to the planet.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_07]: But in a way that we wouldn't see these days where it's like, no, no, no,

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm still infected.

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm in horrible pain. I'm trying to do this.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not like being controlled, like I am fighting control.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why I'm trying to get to the planet to get a sample.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Like that was cool. That was a cool aspect.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, seeing Scotty just be like, I know you.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been long enough.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I got a phaser on you right now, but that and that is a really

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_08]: well delivered scene because like you can hear in Scotty's voice.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, dude, I promise I will shoot you like

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_08]: do not test me.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. And you think going back to that chapel of it all,

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I do love the scene where her and McCoy have a little face off

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_06]: about what they're going to do with Spock,

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_06]: whether they're just going to close them up or try to get these aliens out.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And of course, you know, she's super jealous that someone else

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_06]: is all up inside his guts, understandable given the circumstances.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep. Now, history together.

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Yeah. And we do have we have this moment of McCoy

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_08]: not being sure if the guy that looks exactly like Kirk is a Kirk.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But we also get a moment like that from Jim,

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_08]: because when he finally realizes that light is the way to go,

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_08]: he clarifies and goes light like in a sun.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, dude.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_08]: No fucking kidding.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Like that's what sons are known for.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Also, gravity is going back to Spock's pain.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, before he learns to control it, we see a lot of Spock and pain

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_06]: because, you know, Star Trek has like a super logical character.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Half the episodes are going to show that logical character being illogical

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_06]: for whatever reason, horniness, pain parasites.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we just we always got to show them out of character.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_06]: But in all those scenes, what do you think the over

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_06]: odds are on us having seen Nimoy's face?

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_06]: There was a lot of facial contortions.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_06]: One of them has to be as orgasm expression.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I think now people call that the the vinegar face, Cameron.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't like that term because it looks like somebody held up

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_08]: a spoonful of vinegar to your nose.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And exactly that's why I don't like that.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Shout out to not one vinegar in that other moment being combined in my mind.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Shout out to Paul Shear.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Go check out the league if you haven't and go listen to our episode with Paul Shear.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Now, I'm OK with it.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Last couple of little things, there's some good details in this.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I really like the lucite tools that they use on Denva.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I kind of wonder why all of their scientific tools are basically tube

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_08]: with no opening like, OK, whatever.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_08]: But then one of my favorite moments in this is when a real in

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_08]: this is a weird way to phrase this.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_08]: But when a real and dies, there is no like flat line

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_08]: like you would get in a modern medical drama.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. There's no beep beep beep.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_08]: The heartbeat monitor just stops.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And you don't even notice that you were hearing it, that bump, bump, bump.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It just stops.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's actually more effective than the flatline tone.

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And I really like that subtle attention to detail, especially because we have that.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Then we get the pause and then we just see all the vital start slowly

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_07]: dropping off like, oh, man.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, she's dead. OK.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_07]: It's very well done. Yeah.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, going back to the tools real quick, just the one guy

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_06]: who tries to attack Spock later is carrying the headpiece to the staff of raw.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_06]: And I guess maybe the aliens whole search

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: is to try to find the Ark of the Covenant is now my head cannon.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. And Spock finds Redwall.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. I wrote that down for some reason.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_07]: There was a very, very red wall.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_07]: It was I was like, wow, this is like the fight against that.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Damn, that is a if I worked on that campus or at that building,

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I'd be like, I can't sit here, man.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like overwhelming my vision.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you guys know that the Indiana Jones theme song actually has lyrics

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_08]: much like the Star Trek theme song has lyrics that you never hear?

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm. Really? Yeah, because Indiana fucking Jones,

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Indiana fucking Jones, Jones, Jones.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_06]: It was it did not test well, so they people who say that cussing isn't funny.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_06]: That would not have been funny without the fucking.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, proof, proof positive right there.

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to do things.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I mean, that's does everybody else have any notes?

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Because that's Operation Annihilate.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thank you, John, because you just brought up,

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the final note we do need to discuss.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I am a fan of punctuation and titles.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_06]: What the fuck?

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Bring it back to that is happening with this title.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It's very strange.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_08]: They didn't have an M dash yet, so they had they didn't have a colon.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_06]: That's what comes after Operation.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_08]: They hadn't seen all those 80s 80s movies yet either.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's not really on them.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_08]: But you're going to have a title that has dashes and an exclamation point.

[01:02:32] Like, yeah.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_06]: OK, the whole time I was like, oh, OK, the aliens are trying

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_06]: to annihilate them, and then we've got to annihilate.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's just we're annihilating the aliens.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And even then, it's it's only to cure the people.

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_06]: We're not really trying to exterminate them.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_06]: We're just trying to cure the people.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it could be.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I had problems.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it could be left over from the draft where they go

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_08]: to the alien planet and nuke it like which, I guess, was called

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Operation Destroy.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, really?

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And I do like Annihilate better.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Annihilate rolls off the tongue better.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_07]: It's a much better word.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, much like the movie Annihilate, I think anything

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_07]: of the word annihilate is just kind of a weird story.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_07]: I loved that movie.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like watching a tool music video

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_08]: was set to like a plot and it, you know.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, it is very weird.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And like the last couple shots, I was like, oh,

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a little bit of a cop out.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_08]: But I really liked the movie for the most part.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And did you guys know or rather, do you guys know

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_08]: how many other Star Trek titles contain an exclamation point?

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I, like you, have read the the fandom.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I do know.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I haven't.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_07]: A good chunk of this does come from memory alpha

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_07]: out of 900 something episodes.

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Does lower decks have any?

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to say like five tops.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a good guess, but it's actually one.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Really?

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And it is a Voyager episode called Bride of Chaotica.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, believe that's how it's supposed to be pronounced.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. Yeah.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Once you see it, you'll know that was accurate.

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Wow. One other.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_07]: That's pretty impressive for 900 episodes.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_06]: They use this apparently for as exotic as they get with the title sometimes.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And I do wonder if they were told like, OK,

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_08]: put this in every show Bible going forward.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_08]: No exclamation points.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Unless you really mean it.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_07]: You've got to earn that.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, before we wrap up, it is Star Trek Day.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Happy Star Trek Day to everybody else.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I know this is coming out a couple of days late,

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_07]: but it is officially Star Trek Day.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Star Trek is 58 years old.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: So I think we can officially say like that is solidly

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_07]: in the three generations of people have grown up with Star Trek existing.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Star Trek is on MILF.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It has its AARP side.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Like to frequently watch.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know and do so.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_07]: That's good. Yeah.

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_07]: So is it a boomer or is it like early Gen X?

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't remember 66.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_07]: That's still got to be boomer, doesn't it?

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, no, that's probably early Gen X.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think it's I think it's just inside the Gen X limits.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think it's which of course, too, into Gen X are, you know,

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_08]: completely arbitrary and probably unnecessary in everyday society.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: But it probably does count.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Now we got Gen Alpha Star Trek coming out here with Lower Decks

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_07]: starting up in October next month.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't understand like how they go from Gen Z

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_08]: to zoomers or is that the same thing?

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And then it's like, yeah, I don't like it.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_07]: You guys back in my day.

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_07]: They keep thinking that the world is going to end

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_07]: because a lot of people are kind of working toward the end of the world

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_07]: for some reason because of one book.

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, they just keep trying to be like, well, this is the last one.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess not. All right.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Then we're just circling back around because there's no other naming conventions.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. But you know, what's more human than assuming

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_08]: the generation before you has ruined everything

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_08]: and hoping that the generation after you is somehow able to fix it?

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm most human. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, although it really seems like the Star Trek goes

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_07]: the other way that the generation after you is ruining everything

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_07]: and that the generation before you was the only good one.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Like reverse weird fandom stuff there.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_06]: It's after World War Three, this one that takes.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_07]: No, that's true. That's right. There we go.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_07]: But Jesse, we had some great callers today.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_07]: If anybody else like subcommander at all wants to call into open

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_07]: pike night for the first time, how can they do that?

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: The easiest way to do anything that involves open pike night

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_08]: is to go to open pike dot com.

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_08]: You can record your voicemail there directly.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_08]: You can see links to our Patreon, to our merch.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Everything is all in one place at open pike dot com.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And of course, you can follow us on your social media of preference at open pike.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I have not been quite as active with the account on Twitter lately.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you've been there, but it's a bit of a cesspool right now,

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_08]: which is probably not surprising.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm just putting my energy into other more positive things.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I've been playing a lot of Pokemon on Nintendo Switch.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's, I think, been really good for my mental health.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_08]: But if you need to get a hold of us on social media, I'm totally there.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And I will absolutely reply to you.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And Cameron, where can folks find more of you and I?

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if you want to hear more TNG

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_06]: observations from me like I made in this episode,

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_06]: you can hear that over on green shirt and new beast

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_06]: trick the next generation where John is walking me through TNG

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_06]: for the first time, along with Rob and Bobby.

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_06]: We are nearing the end.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_06]: So very close to being done with season seven.

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And we're also diving into a quick recap of DS nine.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I got to say, Cameron, I was so excited to hear your thoughts on Whispers,

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_08]: one of my favorite DS nine episodes.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Happy to be on the same page with you on that one.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Excellent. Yeah.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think all three of us are going to be on the same page again

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_07]: the day after we recorded this, because we're going to be recording

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_07]: the episode for TNG's lower decks.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And Jesse is joining us as the guest for that.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Good call. Yeah, I called that episode like two years ago.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_07]: It's true. It's true.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_07]: And I unfortunately, yes, had to shave my majestic beard.

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I have a new job that requires me to wear a respirator every now and then.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And so cannot do that with facial hair.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_07]: You totally can.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_07]: You get away with a lot of facial hair in a respirator.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, corporate policies, blah, blah, blah.

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_07]: So I have gone back to clean shaving and I don't know, what do I look?

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Ten years younger guys? 12?

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_07]: What do you think?

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, like when did you shave that?

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I can already see it coming back.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Oh, it's been this by new.

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_07]: It's been like three days.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_07]: So, OK, yeah, it's fighting the control.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I know that feeling, brother.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I haven't used a razor in years because it was weird.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_08]: It was very weird.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. It just creates discomfort.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I use a trimmer at all times. Nice.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, no, I do have to do.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I do clean shaves, but man, I was thinking back when I was trimming it off

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_07]: and I was like, man, it's been four years almost

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_07]: since I put shaving cream on my face for any reason.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. So yeah.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And we don't have to include this, but I have to ask,

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_08]: how did your partner react the first time?

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And there was plenty of warning.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_07]: It's not part of the deal.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there was plenty of warning and there has been plenty of mourning for sure.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_08]: So I signed up for a man in the house.

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Who is this child?

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly. Exactly.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, solidarity and strength, John.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It takes a big man to change something that iconic about himself

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_08]: to make sure that his immediate significant others can survive.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So good on your brother.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you. Thank you.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_07]: It has been a long night or morning for Jesse,

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and the open pike night crew has to go shine a bunch of lights in our back room.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_07]: The farting squirting sounds are getting out of hand

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_07]: and we got to go clear out our brain parasite cellular creatures.

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_07]: So be sure to clean up after yourselves.

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Be sure to tip your servers.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_07]: You can go anywhere you want, but you can't stay here.