Much like his tenure on Star Trek Strange New Worlds, Bruce Horak is BACK! The artist formerly known as Hemmer has returned, maggots and all, to the Open Pike Night Stage to have a chat with John, Cam, and Jesse about Season 2 of SNW, Traveling shows, paintings, dogs, goblins, and why he loves prosthetics so much.
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Bruce: This is Bruce ORAC and you're listening to open pipe
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night the podcast that will make your blood scream
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John T Bolds: this thing on hello hello
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welcome to open bike night the strange new worlds podcast where
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your personal logs are the prime directive. I'm your host John T
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bolds. here tonight with my co hosts and an amazing guests
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returning to the open Fight Night stage. But unlike Star
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Trek, strange new worlds, we don't make him get dressed up as
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different species each time he reappears. Joining me tonight
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are my co hosts. First up the man who has the answer but much
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like a cadet can't always show his work. Jesse Bailey, hey, the
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results are what matter and I just want to say to every
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teacher I ever had growing up. I do have a calculator on me at
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all times. And the man who breaks what is fine fixes what
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no one asked for. And always blast the Kpop host of green
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shirt newbies trek for the next generation, Cameron all
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Cameron: yeah, I've got three purposes.
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John T Bolds: Our guest tonight is an artist and creator of fan
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favorite is the grumpiest member of Starfleet a guard cog to make
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our heartthrob a fantastic guy all around. Bruce horror act.
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Welcome back to open pike night.
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Bruce Horak: Hey, nice to be back. Thanks for having me.
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John T Bolds: Oh, it's great to have you back. What's been since
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December of 2022. Since we talked to you last night. I
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mean, we we saw you in Vegas last year in person. But last
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time we sat down. And when we did sit down with you, we asked
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you a little question that you couldn't answer that a time.
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Let's let's listen to a clip from that previous interview.
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Jesse: Going into season one, you know, hammer isn't gonna
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make it. But it did allow you to cross some things off of your
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Star Trek bucket list. I believe it was your phrasing. And we now
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have, as you have said, reason to believe that your time and
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trek is not over. This will be my last question on the subject.
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Have you crossed anything else off of your bucket list?
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John T Bolds: No hesitation on that.
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Cameron: You answered that very quickly. No, none.
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Bruce Horak: None.
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Cameron: So now that we've seen season two, what were you
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referring to
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Bruce Horak: going on now?
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Laying on your shelf that is just like that is right up
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there. And, you know, the makeup the whole experience. And I got
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I got to sing. I got to sing two versions of the same song. I got
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to like sit as the captain of a clean on vertebrae. You know,
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just the armor. The whole thing it was is a dream come true.
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Unknown: Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that
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Cameron: leads us right into that. So you you knew last time
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we talked, you knew that you were going to be in season two,
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because you'd already filmed season two. But how did that
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come about? When you wrapped season one? Did they say like,
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Hey, we've got plans? Or did you get a call later? Did you learn
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about one and then think you were done and didn't get the
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call about gar cog? Or how did it go? How did it go down?
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Bruce Horak: Oh, gosh, I have to jog my memory. It does feel like
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a while now. But it was after the wrap of season one. But
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there was there was some buzz in the makeup trailer. That there
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might be something coming down the pike. Oops. But does anyone
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else use that? Oh, yeah. No. And then it was yeah, that that
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there was going to be a couple of episodes a few days in season
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two. And what I was doing and kind of the involvement of a
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trickled out over the over the course of the time before before
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it led up but yeah, then the musical and then I found out
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Gosh, it must have been like a month and a half or something
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before we shot that episode that I would be a singing Klingon.
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And yeah, I got to go in and do some rehearsals and yeah, the
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whole experience it was pretty spectacular and also you know
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getting to come back as a as a zombie. That was pretty great.
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Did
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Cameron: one other writers like learn that you're an Evil Dead
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The musical when they offered you those two because I mean,
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Evil Dead The musical set you up perfectly for season two
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strangely worlds. Yeah,
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Bruce Horak: right. It really did. It's it was like it was
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like It was meant to be, I don't believe so. That wasn't even a
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conversation that I even considered, I think until I got
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on the podcast with you all and we got talking about Evil Dead.
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Which has something in my in my distant history, but it was
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super sweet to actually get to do zombie and then get to get to
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kick it up with I don't think they actually captured any of
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the high kicks that I did, but that was just between the
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trailer and set.
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Cameron: And did they just offer you guard dog? Or did you have
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to audition?
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Bruce Horak: No, that was just a straight up offer. Wow, that's
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correct. It was it really was and I think there was when I the
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day that I went in to record the tracks on technology. Yeah, was
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saying that like they wrote these things and didn't really
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know like the voices that we're going to be singing them and
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just felt like with every every performer that came in and sang
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he's like, Oh my God, what they got so lucky. They got so
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blessed and and the day that I got to spend in the studio belt
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and that stuff out it just felt like oh, I yeah, it felt like
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just totally my comfort zone.
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John T Bolds: Did you get to actually meet with him ahead of
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time or was it was it just the first time you worked with Tom
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and Kay was that
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Bruce Horak: was it that the recording day and I think it was
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just Tom in the studio Tom and Bill I had one day before that
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where I ran through the songs with the with the voice coach in
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a trailer on set, I think I'd had like a little makeup test
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and then I was like an hour and a half with the voice coach just
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to run through and I had gotten the the demo tracks before that
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just to rehearse on my own. I'm like, Well, you know, I can do
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this. It's top end of my range.
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And then the click on opera one I'm like, only I can I can
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definitely kind of land that one in the pocket. And we worked for
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an hour and a half for two hours in in a trailer and I just felt
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so good and confident that going into the studio and recording
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with Tom. It just felt Yeah, it just felt really good. Really
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right. I was just gonna
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Jesse: say that leads perfectly into our caller Melanie's
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question,
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Bruce Horak: Melanie.
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Unknown: Hi, I'm Frank Knight.
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And Hi, Bruce. This is Melanie from Germany, as many fans have
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already told you, I also love to hammer and was sad to see him
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go. I also loved us, of course mentor and showing her that she
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belonged in the end. And I'm for sure I'm not the first one to
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tell you that as well. But while you achieve being blind and
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acting a painting, and I don't know what else well, it's just
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amazing. I'm so glad to saw you're in subspace Rhapsody
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again, and I hope to see you in more strange new worlds
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episodes. So my question is about your return in a second
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season. What was it like to return to the cast? Could you
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finally hang out more? As far as I know, that wasn't possible
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during the first season certainly to to come in? And
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what was it like to be in Star Trek first musical episode and
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play a singer Klingon? What did you prefer the Kpop or Klingon
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opera version? I admit, I love the Kpop version a lot. Thanks
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for everything and live long and prosper.
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Bruce Horak: Well, thanks, Melanie. That's very kind words.
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What was it like to be back? It was so great. It was it was
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certainly emotional. I really did. I think when that first
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season wrapped, I felt like I had, you know, left everything
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on the court and had done what I had been hired to do. And you
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know, in a lot of ways it was Yeah, scratch stuff off the
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bucket list, as we said before, and I thought you know, my my
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adventure in space was going to be done and and felt good about
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it that I didn't feel like I had left anything unresolved. So
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getting to come back and do stuff in season two is like
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icing on the cake. A really, really sweet cake. Yeah, one of
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my fond fond memories, actually is when I saw the announcement
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of who was coming in as the replacement engineer. And then
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it was Carol Kane. Yeah, I just I shed a little tear of joy
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because she's a freaking rock star. Amazing. And I thought
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well if you got to go like please but Carol came like
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that's a bit of all right. And yeah, I got to meet her on set
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when when I was shooting. This is probably false memory
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syndrome, but I seem to think I was a zombie hammer sitting
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beside her off camera. Can't be true. Maybe it will. I don't
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know. I think we did all that in one day where I was zombie
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hammer in the lift and then I was regular hammer in the
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flashback or whatever and Carol was shooting some of her stuff
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that day as well. So getting to meet you know, I get real Fanny
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tongue tie I am uncomfortable around around people that I, you
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know, that I've seen on screen.
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I am like that I get into that bit of a fan zone where I've
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watched somebody on screen a million times. So when I sit
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next to them, it's like, I know you, but I don't really. You're
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and she's just yeah, she was just so lovely and down to
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earth. And yeah, just meeting, meeting the season to cast and
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last couple of days that I was in it just felt. Yeah, it just
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felt really nice to Nice to reconnect with everyone. And
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then last last summer in Las Vegas getting to see everyone
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there again. They say it in the you know, it's probably become a
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cliche now, but there's a real family vibe to this whole Star
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Trek thing you may have picked up on that. Just by really is.
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There really is a family vibe.
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And I feel Yeah, super honored to be a part of it. Now I'm
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gonna cry. Thanks. Thanks, Melanie.
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John T Bolds: And as far as the Kpop versus the opera, do you
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have your Sophie's
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Cameron: Choice?
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Unknown: Oh,
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Bruce Horak: hammers choice?
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Gosh, I don't know. The opera bit sunk in. I think a little
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deeper thing was the first one I started to learn. Because I
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honestly thought there's no way that I'm going to be able to hit
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the notes in that Kpop thing.
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But then in the studio was like, oh, okay, like, adrenaline
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rushing on the day. And yeah, I mean, that was just super fun to
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dance to. Want to hear the whole version of that. Right,
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John T Bolds: right. Oh, we
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Jesse: all do. Yeah, that was a pretty common requests. After
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that episode aired. People were like, they'd probably made an
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opera version, though. Right.
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And then we found out they did it is the cut of it is on the
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special features for season two.
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Bruce Horak: Are you shooting blu ray?
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Cameron: Oh, yeah, we see. Oh, no
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Bruce Horak: way.
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Jesse: Yeah. It was like the first thing we all loaded up.
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We're like, Okay, we got to see this. And I love the opera. But
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like, just for the flow, I think. I think the Kpop totally
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works.
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Bruce Horak: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, immediately like the it's a nice
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button.
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Cameron: I think if you watch just the musical clip, I
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actually liked the opera better.
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But the flow from the bridge and their reaction. It's gotten in
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Kpop.
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Bruce Horak: Well, it's funny, like, just the, the awkward
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pause after the song, and then like, boom, and then the door
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opens. And we're back into that number like that. I hate to
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hesitate to call it like a type of joke, but it is like it's a
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visual joke that we're all very familiar with. And that that
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style is like just it sits in, in my world. And I know that my
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brother, Steve, Hey, Steve, my older brother, Steve, who you
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know, is an engineer. He and my sister in law and their kids
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watched that episode. And they didn't know it was me. And they
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watched that scene like two or three times. And Steve said that
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was the funniest. We had to pause it. We had to go back. Oh
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my god, singing Klingons and then when they got to the end,
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they saw Oh, like that was my brother. Okay, first of all,
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awesome. Second of all, prosthetics crew like thumbs.
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Because you buried me and that's amazing, man. If I can fool my
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brother. Yeah,
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Jesse: yeah. And talk about like, just a truly unique legacy
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in the world of Star Trek, Bruce. Like, you got to be the
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guy that Spock rips off. It had to go all the way to Carol Kane
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to replace you. And you're seeing clinging on like, Come
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on, man. Nobody else can claim these things. This is amazing.
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Absolutely.
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Bruce Horak: Right. You're absolutely right. Let's sing in
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Klingon.
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John T Bolds: That's fantastic.
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We have no call here. Another question about the musical and
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some other parts of season two here is Newman.
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Unknown: Hi, oh
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Newman: opened pike nine noon in the space. He'd be here from the
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movies for days podcast. So excited that I get to send in
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some love and flowers and a couple of silly questions for
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the great Bruce Horik, who played one of my absolute
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favorite characters in the first season in hammer, I'm sure you
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get this all the time. That fine line of crotchety but with the
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heart of gold. That's not the easiest line to walk. I think as
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an actor, and especially with all of the change in development
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we saw from this character over just 10 episodes, I just want to
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really commend your work. And just personally where I was in
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my life and what I was working toward when I saw the episode
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where Him and who were I got super close. It really got to me
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in a very deep and meaningful way. When you told her you
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create bonds, it's a gift. Of course the people you care about
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are going to cause you pain. It will hurt but the love it yields
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will far outweigh the sorrow, bro. God damn How dare you Two
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very quick questions for you if you could have been in the
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musical episode what kind of a song would you like hammer to
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sing? So I'm curious what's hammer or hammer in his team in
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engineering what are they singing? And if you could have
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appeared at the trial for una Qin Riley what might hemmer have
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said in her defense. All right.
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Much love to the whole open pike night crew keep rockin and
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rollin you beautiful Bruce Newman, the space it'd be out.
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Bruce Horak: Oh, wow, Newman, thanks for those. Wow, okay, who
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if Hammer was actually in the musical episode and what he what
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are he in the crews sing and it's funny, like, I just I just
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watched that episode. And it's so good, that there isn't a
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number that's missing from that show, really. But at least I
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feel like in in terms of like, okay, here are the musical
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staples that you need, in the in, you know, a musical episode.
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And then like the sort of work Work, Work work work song is the
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only number I'm thinking of like, the pan through every
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single part of the ship. And then you know, we get go from
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like, the lower decks to like the guys moving cargo to like,
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here's the engineering. And that's how the whole ship works.
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But we kind of have that in, you know in hurrahs, keep us
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connected. And then that final closing number, which is about
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how everyone's working together, I just just would have loved at
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some point to see, you know, who are watching like a little
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hammer on her pad, and then hammer from the past is done, he
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just kind of turns in and does like a couple of words or
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something just in a number. It's like what it messes with the
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timeline. And it's like, Wait a minute. Now the space, the fold
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has actually gone back in time to like, anyway, it would really
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cause more questions than then then is really worth the joke.
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But yeah, I know, a musical number about red shirts. Yeah,
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just to go with that fantastic novel. I just finished reading.
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He goes red and red shirts.
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John T Bolds: I need to know.
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Bruce Horak: Well, this is a side plug but Edina Manyana got
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me on to listen to Wil Wheaton reading a book called red
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shirts. And you know takes place in kind of a fictional sci fi
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universe and it's all the anyway sidebar. What were we talking
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about? Oh right. The question that hammer or the piece what
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would he say it was trial and really I think it's just about
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you know that differences are what makes us all stronger and
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hemmer as an alien as an outsider. I think is felt that
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as experienced that and if you're an augment or whatever
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you are if you're if you're bringing the your peace of
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passion to the collective good.
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Then it's up to Starfleet to accept that.
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Unknown: I love that.
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Cameron: I would just like to pitch him or singing like a Tom
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Waits style.
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Bruce Horak: Ballo, ya know, it's been drinking.
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John T Bolds: Man, it's just only about it's so dang warm on
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this ship. Can we please turn AC down?
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Bruce Horak: He's got a whole number called turn it down.
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Jesse: We will happily write that and send it to you.
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Bruce Horak: It's a bedtime number with hammer.
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Jesse: So you had a little bit of a relationship with Star Trek
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before you got to strange new worlds. Were there any Klingons
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that you looked to maybe a favorite cling on in the Star
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Trek? oeuvre to get some inspiration for gar cog or was
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he just all
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Bruce Horak: you? Oh, well, Christopher Plummer's and he's
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quoting Shakespeare the whole time and he has an eyepatch as
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well. Over the other eye. That was certainly part of it. I dug
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deep into some Michael Dorn a little war faction Oh, which is
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the one where Kirk and bones are in prison. That's
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John T Bolds: that's the same with general Chang with with
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Christopher Plummer as Star Trek six Yankee.
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Bruce Horak: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that that kind of that kind of
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vibe for guard cog. Although it was pretty, I mean, I don't even
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know like if if all these stories are covered by my NDA,
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but
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Cameron: that's the best introduction to a story you can
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give.
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Bruce Horak: So I went in to the My, my prosthetic fitting the
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day before we were to shoot. And so they were gonna put me in the
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prosthetics and put me in front of the camera and see how it
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looks and then shoot the scene the next day. And as I'm getting
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like in the vehicle on the way to set I get a panicked message
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from one of the prosthetics guys saying just Quick question,
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which is your artificial eye?
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And I wrote back and so it was my right one. And then it was
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like, Okay, great. Thanks. And then I didn't hear anything. And
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then when I finally showed up at the set, they're like, Okay, so
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there's been a mistake. And they had put the eyepatch over my, my
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one good eye. They put it on the wrong side. So they're like, how
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would you feel about just shooting, shooting that like,
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shoot, shoot a blind. And you know, there was a little
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discussion around that as like, as we really wouldn't be fair to
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just like, take this guy who's got 9% vision, and then just
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take that all away, if we can possibly manage it. So they cut
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the eyepatch out of the one side and flip. Basically, he read
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that Chris bridgers, who's the head prosthetic stayed up all
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night and basically cut the whole thing apart and re pasted
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it and rebuilt this cling on face. The day that we had. It's
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incredible, like, and I look at that, that's kind of why I was
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again going back just as I'm totally in awe of the
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prosthetics on this show. Like I don't know if you guys have been
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seen watching discovery, but the stuff that's shown Yeah. Like,
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what doesn't lock oh my god, anyway, like all love to the
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prosthetics guys, but that was, that was a lot of fun. And then
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so got into the full clicking on makeup on the day and, like went
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out and you know, wearing the armor and met the dancers and
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like just having a great time, they put me in the chair and got
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the camera on me to do my first, you know, this general Garco the
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Imperial whatever scene and did my first take of it and, like
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full like went for it like, like Christopher Plummer just like a
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shoe in the scenery. And Chris Bridgers who was shooting that
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or was directing it that day?
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Just one? Yeah, maybe just
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Cameron: got to start somewhere.
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Like
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Unknown: that. That's, that's something I could do. It's much
00:22:05
harder to turn things up. And it's to turn the bit. Yeah, it
00:22:09
was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun to get to play honestly,
00:22:12
that they're just they're kind of absurd. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
00:22:19
know, if you if we can use any of that. It sounds like I'm
00:22:21
throwing somebody under? Oh, no,
00:22:23
John T Bolds: I think I think it's a great story. I mean, it's
00:22:25
just fun to learn more about it.
00:22:25
Well,
00:22:27
Bruce Horak: honestly, they're what those what those I mean, I
00:22:31
had such a intimate experience at the prosthetics trailer,
00:22:35
because I mean, there was a lot of days when those guys and you
00:22:41
know, shooting in the pandemic, and the lock downs and
00:22:44
everything. I mean, we're all social creatures. And got that
00:22:47
was the time I got to spend kind of out of my house finally, in
00:22:52
physical presence with other people. And yeah, it was, it was
00:22:56
really, it was a really, really lovely experience. And they're
00:23:00
truly gifted artists. Like, I've done a little painting. I've
00:23:05
done a little airbrushing. These people are like, absolutely top
00:23:11
of their game with the way they built that and the fact that
00:23:15
Chris Bridgers was able to go from one day where I've got a
00:23:19
photo of myself with the kind of half cut open, cling on dark hog
00:23:25
face that we used for the camera test. And what it went from that
00:23:30
day to the next day is amazing.
00:23:30
And those things are, you know, they're built to, to be very
00:23:35
malleable to the face, they don't last forever. So
00:23:41
generally, at the end of a shooting day, they end up in the
00:23:44
trash, because they're just falling apart. So that he was
00:23:46
able to take that and work the wizardry that they just think,
00:23:54
Unknown: gee, there must be some sort of award.
00:23:57
Jesse: I gotta be I have to agree with you personally, that
00:24:00
they need to be nominated for and win that award. Because
00:24:04
going into season two, there was a bar and an expectation for
00:24:08
Klingons. Because, I mean, you may have heard the Klingons in
00:24:13
discovery were not initially universally well received. I
00:24:18
loved them, right. I'm like, they're aliens get over it. They
00:24:21
look like aliens. But yeah, to really nail that look that
00:24:26
people just know in their heart what they want to see on screen.
00:24:30
I mean, it is it's a kind of magic. And actually one of the
00:24:35
people that we met in Star Trek Las Vegas, waiting in line to
00:24:39
see you Bruce was our friend Aaron. And he ended up getting
00:24:43
click on prosthetics from a vendor there and he wore it like
00:24:47
the whole third day of Las Vegas and it was just like, you just
00:24:51
walked up today fully cleaned out like oh, hey, yeah, look
00:24:56
great. It's like that's the guy from the Bruce lasted
00:25:00
Bruce Horak: Are we? That's so so great. Well, the I was in
00:25:07
Vulcan Alberta last year for Vulcan. Yes. And it was the week
00:25:12
before Las Vegas. So I don't know if you remember but the the
00:25:16
musical episode got released, I think the week never eaten last
00:25:19
year. So it hadn't been out yet when we were in Vulcan, and
00:25:23
also, the strike was happening.
00:25:23
And however, in Vulcan, Alberta, which is like, Canada's home
00:25:28
with Star Trek, and there's a museum and the ship and there's
00:25:31
a parade and all the streetlights and downtown at our
00:25:34
little starship enterprises, and they have this incredible like,
00:25:38
Nemo, he's been there. And anyway, it's it's a really
00:25:44
incredible Star Trek convention.
00:25:49
And the contingent of people who dress up as Klingons there is
00:25:54
like 90% There's a whole there's there's a group that comes in
00:25:58
from from Edmonton, like three hours away, and they camp around
00:26:01
the small town, and got photos taken with the with the clean on
00:26:07
prosthetics, and some of them, some of them are amazing. And
00:26:10
then some of them are just hilarious. Don't take themselves
00:26:14
too seriously at all. And speaking of family vibes, like
00:26:18
every one, they I think they sell out at 1200 tickets like
00:26:22
that. They don't have enough room for any more than 1200
00:26:24
people. And every hotel in that town in the three towns around
00:26:28
it are totally full. And it everyone knows each other. It's
00:26:32
like walking into chairs. It's the vibe of that place. I don't
00:26:37
know how we got on that. Oh, Klingons. And yeah, being
00:26:39
surrounded by things. There was a moment where I wanted so badly
00:26:42
to tell this group of planes.
00:26:42
I'm one of you. Oh, yeah, I'm one of you now, but but it was
00:26:46
too soon. They hadn't by a week.
00:26:51
Man. I missed it.
00:26:53
Cameron: Playing on royalty and didn't even know it.
00:26:56
Jesse: That's rough.
00:26:58
Bruce Horak: I want to see general Gurkha spin off bright
00:27:01
tech.
00:27:01
John T Bolds: Yes. He went somewhere after that event. I
00:27:04
mean, yeah. Yeah. Like if Picard can have one. gartcosh Yeah.
00:27:10
Right.
00:27:13
Cameron: So what what makeup takes the longest himer Zombie
00:27:17
hammer, or gar cog?
00:27:20
Bruce Horak: Oh, I believe it was regular hammer actually,
00:27:24
because the zombie hammer wasn't as many pieces. I think that
00:27:27
like the, as I recall was zombie hammer. Yeah, I don't think
00:27:33
there was as many pieces although the costume did take a
00:27:37
while because they have to keep going it up with all the gore
00:27:39
that's flowing out of hammers chest. And Bernadette Croft, who
00:27:46
was the wardrobe of the head of wardrobe there and the designer
00:27:49
snuck in some maggots into the goo that was coming out of
00:27:54
hammer. She based maggots if you
00:27:57
Jesse: mentioned those clothes.
00:27:57
Yeah, she was super excited about this. Yeah. Yeah, those
00:28:00
were practical. Those were actual maggots.
00:28:05
Bruce Horak: Yeah, there's maggots in there. Oh,
00:28:07
Cameron: they're not living not real. No, but
00:28:09
Bruce Horak: they're not living.
00:28:09
Space maggots. Yeah.
00:28:13
Cameron: I think we should just let Jesse believe that.
00:28:15
Bruce Horak: No, yeah.
00:28:17
Cameron: So speaking of zombie hammer, like, Yeah, how did you
00:28:23
get into character? Were there conversations about how zombie
00:28:25
like what level of zombie you would go or?
00:28:29
Bruce Horak: Oh, yeah. Dan Lew, who's the director and worked on
00:28:33
Walking Dead. Had a lot of great insight into being zombies. Less
00:28:38
comedy.
00:28:40
Unknown: Yeah,
00:28:40
Bruce Horak: then I was going for. But I had done Evil Dead.
00:28:44
So I was ready to like, you know, just this side of thriller
00:28:48
it up. But yeah, it was much slower than I think my initial
00:28:55
impulse was because it's you know, he's threatening you
00:28:58
hoorah. But, but as Dan said, it's like, the slower and more
00:29:02
specific you are in your movement, the scarier it is,
00:29:06
instead of like, just kind of coming and doing like the 28
00:29:09
days later zombie, although those ones are pretty terrifying
00:29:12
to get in their own way. So that was yeah, that was the big
00:29:16
lesson is slow and precise.
00:29:20
John T Bolds: Besides the zombie episode, you also worked on some
00:29:23
of the very short tracks you worked on holiday party and
00:29:26
holograms all the way down. What was the what was the acting
00:29:30
experience like for those?
00:29:32
Bruce Horak: No acting required?
00:29:32
Wow. Oh, Casper, the writer director is a Casper.
00:29:44
John T Bolds: Yeah, Casper.
00:29:45
Bruce Horak: Oh gosh,
00:29:46
John T Bolds: Casper.
00:29:46
Bruce Horak: Yeah, yeah, I've worked on probably about 10
00:29:50
years ago, there was a YouTube thing going around called too
00:29:53
many cooks because remember, that's That's right. Yeah, so
00:29:57
and when that came out, I thought that was The funniest
00:30:00
thing I've ever seen, and it was an ear worm that stuck with me
00:30:04
for like, months. And so on the, you know, they picked me up to
00:30:09
go and record these things. And that's when I got the I had a
00:30:12
bit of the script beforehand, but I got the information that
00:30:15
Casper Kelly was working on. And you know, when he showed up on
00:30:19
the big zoom screen again, I'm a fan and immediately got tongue
00:30:25
tied, as I do in my my fandom.
00:30:25
Yeah, then super playful. I've never really done specifically
00:30:31
voiceover animation work before.
00:30:35
A big dream of mine. You know, ever since I was in high school,
00:30:38
people said, oh, you should do voiceover you got a real face
00:30:41
for it. No, stop. But no, it's it is it's a dream of mine to do
00:30:47
that. So to get to go in and voice hammer in one of those
00:30:51
animated things. And the fact that it's in the style of the
00:30:54
old animated series. Yeah. just cracks me up. Because I do
00:30:58
remember that show, like Saturday morning cartoons
00:31:01
growing up. And that that, and it was always the show that I
00:31:05
would turn off and say,
00:31:07
John T Bolds: Oh, no.
00:31:09
Bruce Horak: on Star Trek, The Animated Series was on. It was
00:31:12
it was time to turn the TV off and go outside. Geez. So it's
00:31:17
very fractured memories of like, Oh, I remember this kind of
00:31:20
style of animation. But I'd never watched an episode all the
00:31:22
way through. And when they said oh, we're doing it in the in the
00:31:25
style of the original series. I went back and started watching
00:31:29
them and they're just awesome.
00:31:29
They're just so fun. Like in a really kitschy, horrible way.
00:31:34
Yeah, I just thought, wow, they they captured.
00:31:39
Unknown: They captured that style.
00:31:41
Bruce Horak: Not necessarily in the humor. I mean, it's more
00:31:43
Casper Kelly's humor, but Right.
00:31:43
Yeah, yeah. How's that? The
00:31:47
Jesse: Star Trek? The Animated Series definitely uses the word
00:31:50
animated pretty liberally in its title. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean,
00:31:56
same thing, man. I went back and watched all of them. And it's, I
00:32:00
mean, it's Star trek all the way through, you know, just kind of
00:32:03
like holograms all the way down.
00:32:03
Yeah. So you mentioned before we started that you had recorded an
00:32:07
audio book is that does that mean that voice acting is
00:32:11
something you're going to be looking into doing more of?
00:32:13
Definitely,
00:32:16
Bruce Horak: definitely want to be doing more voice stuff? Yes,
00:32:19
I just recorded my first full length audio book, Adina
00:32:26
Manyana, who reached out to me after truck Long Island last
00:32:30
year. She works on the big sci fi podcast and she's an engineer
00:32:36
and an author and has written five books for kids now. A robot
00:32:42
series called and I read the first one in the Robot series is
00:32:45
called crazy foolish robots. And are sorry, I listened to the
00:32:49
audiobook of that. And then Adina reached out to me and
00:32:51
asked if I would do the audio of her latest book, which is called
00:32:54
lunar logic. And it's fantastic.
00:32:54
It's it's about a group of robots that live on the moon.
00:33:00
And they kind of get into an existential crisis when they try
00:33:03
to figure out who created them and what they're doing there.
00:33:06
It's really clever, it's, it's got, like, kind of the heart
00:33:10
being science, science fiction, but also like this really
00:33:14
beautiful story to it. Adina is also like an engineer and put
00:33:17
stuff into outer space as her regular job. So the engineering
00:33:22
aspect of it in the in the robots and the AI, all that
00:33:25
stuff. I mean, she's kind of living and breathing in that
00:33:29
environment now, so and I think it really informs the writing of
00:33:31
it. I also love that she wrote this thing as part of a nano
00:33:34
Remo project. Oh, wow, nano Remo is National Novel Writing Month
00:33:38
happens in November. And basically, you have the
00:33:41
objective of writing 50 words in 30 days, or maybe it's
00:33:44
more than 50 But anyway, so she took the month of November
00:33:49
wrote the first draft of it and what she's gotten now is great,
00:33:53
just published it. And yeah, I spent the month of March and
00:33:57
part of April recording the audio book set up in my closet
00:34:01
as you do, because it's the best sound in the house. And yeah,
00:34:06
just sat and read and I love it.
00:34:12
i It's reading out loud is one of my favorite things to do. At
00:34:16
because I'm visually impaired, I don't drive. And when I go on
00:34:19
really long road trips, I will read out loud to the driver a
00:34:22
book of their choosing. And I've been doing that for a number of
00:34:27
years as I guess my way of saying thanks for driving. And
00:34:31
I've read out loud so many wonderful books things that no I
00:34:34
might not have picked up of my own volition, but I love it. I
00:34:39
love reading out loud and had a good time with it. A really good
00:34:43
time.
00:34:44
Jesse: That is excellent to hear. And you know LeVar Burton
00:34:47
reads is coming to an end sadly.
00:34:47
So I feel like there's an open niche for Star Trek engineer
00:34:53
reading books on a podcast just throwing it out there man.
00:35:00
Bruce Horak: Honestly, I'm going to take you up on that, because
00:35:04
I've actually thought about that for the last, like thinking
00:35:07
about the last month or so is really just I enjoy just picking
00:35:11
up a book and reading it out loud. I read her book through
00:35:14
twice before I recorded it. But I've often just picked something
00:35:18
up and read it out loud and, and kind of go on with it. And I
00:35:21
feel like it's a service that a lot of people would really
00:35:24
appreciate. Because there is a lot of content out there that
00:35:27
listening to an AI voice read to you. It's funny, I don't know if
00:35:32
you guys use use that like voiceover stuff and having it
00:35:36
read to you. But as an experiment about 10 years ago, I
00:35:41
set up voice activation on all of my devices. So I was
00:35:45
constantly in conversation with these AI voices. And I found
00:35:49
myself out in the world speaking like that. Everything became
00:35:54
very monotone. And I found myself speak like, Oh, my God,
00:35:58
and I sort of snap out of it. I was living in Vancouver, so
00:36:00
there was a lot to snap out of.
00:36:00
But hey, now. But yeah, it's one of those things like it really
00:36:07
doesn't kind of get under your skin, like who you're listening
00:36:09
to. And so just sitting in the morning and reading things out
00:36:13
loud for people. I feel like that might be part of my
00:36:17
calling. So if levar stepping down, Put me in coach, I'm
00:36:19
ready.
00:36:21
Jesse: Oh, yeah, it would be fantastic. You heard it here
00:36:25
first folks.
00:36:26
Bruce Horak: That's happening.
00:36:26
Send me your stuff to read about that said out
00:36:31
Cameron: loud and open mic night becomes reality to process.
00:36:35
Bruce Horak: Yeah, it's funny like that. That's it. I'll just
00:36:38
to your note, like, because of Star Trek. You know, people,
00:36:44
people have found me as fans and for someone who spent, you know,
00:36:48
25 years and in virtual obscurity, to have random people
00:36:53
from around the world. Like we had what Melanie from Germany,
00:36:56
and I don't know where the others are from. But yeah, and
00:37:00
there's, there's a real community in the Star Trek
00:37:03
thing. And I did get a request a couple of months ago, like, You
00:37:07
should do a podcast, you should do a podcast and just have no
00:37:10
idea what I would do. But now, you know, if I'm just reading
00:37:12
stuff that people send me then I have the beginning, middle and
00:37:15
an end. Hey, yeah, yeah, it's all sold.
00:37:21
John T Bolds: Well, we've got a couple a few questions from
00:37:24
callers in what we're gonna call I guess the what if section of
00:37:27
the podcast and we definitely understand that. There might be
00:37:31
some what ifs that aren't unanswerable. We'll start with
00:37:35
our friend David Jones wrote in hello to my friends at open
00:37:38
pike. And to you, Bruce, Bruce, my question for you. If Star
00:37:41
Trek ever did a what if series of episodes what character from
00:37:46
any previous show? Would you want to play?
00:37:48
Cameron: What's left on that bucket list?
00:37:51
Bruce Horak: Oh, good question.
00:37:51
Yeah. Speaking one of my favorite experiences on season
00:37:55
one was, initially they were going to do a scene where hammer
00:37:59
falls out the back of the ship and you see him fall. And so
00:38:02
they put me into into rigging gear. And they had a couple of
00:38:07
days in the stunt room where they flew me like two stories
00:38:10
into the air. And that shot never really got used. And I
00:38:15
don't think it gets used anywhere that we sort of see him
00:38:17
fall, but we don't actually get like the camera shot of him
00:38:19
falling away from it. Getting to fly was totally terrifying. And
00:38:23
I really want to do it again. So what if it I just I just want to
00:38:29
be a character that gets to do some flying? Because that was
00:38:33
both terrifying and exhilarating.
00:38:40
Cameron: Spock has rocket boots.
00:38:40
Yeah,
00:38:42
Bruce Horak: yeah. Spock is rocket boots. Yeah, the rocket
00:38:45
boot episode. Sure. Spock so it's a flashback and hammerin
00:38:50
Spock kind of Cadet days up they get into the cling on blood wine
00:38:54
and they put on rocket boots and they have they have a race. I'm
00:38:58
here for that. Oh man. On the next very short rocket boot race
00:39:01
over a shark
00:39:07
Jesse: I understood that reference.
00:39:11
John T Bolds: All right, and we have another caller here. Here
00:39:13
is so
00:39:15
Zo from Back Look Cinem: strange new worlds. This is the USS
00:39:18
cinema. XO Richardson, Captain commanding. And I'm just
00:39:22
cruising out here and Alpha Quadrant on my experimental warp
00:39:27
drive. And I hear tell that you've been able to bring back
00:39:31
Bruce hora. Bruce, dude, how you doing? I'm so excited to be able
00:39:38
to get to talk to you. And I sincerely hope that I get to see
00:39:42
you on the third season of strange new worlds. And I am of
00:39:47
the idea that you should just come back as a human. And I know
00:39:52
that there have been people who have made this exclamation
00:39:56
before but I sincerely think that is the right move. What do
00:40:00
you think about that? And how do you think that you would come
00:40:03
back as a human? And would you be like a human and Starfleet?
00:40:08
Like an another officer? Or would you be like a traitor? Or
00:40:12
would you be a pirate? Do you see yourself as an antagonist or
00:40:15
protagonists? What are we working with over here? Do you
00:40:18
think you were like a visor like Geordi? That's probably too much
00:40:23
visors? Probably too much. But I'm workshopping over here. I'm
00:40:27
just, I'm just spitballing. But anyway, it's great to get to
00:40:31
talk to you, Richardson.
00:40:34
Bruce Horak: Wow, those sound is so trippy in headphones. Yes.
00:40:40
Jesse: He's got high production value.
00:40:42
Bruce Horak: No kidding. Wow.
00:40:42
That's, that's fantastic. Yeah, coming back as a human would be
00:40:46
really great. It terrifies me.
00:40:50
Mostly because my eyes on my eyes on camera are they're a bit
00:40:56
wacky. And so, you know, going back to to theater, school and
00:41:05
early days where I did some film and TV classes, and we looked,
00:41:08
but we looked at it and the honest reaction, honest bit of
00:41:12
advice from my, my teacher was like you, you're gonna have to
00:41:15
address this because it is an abnormality. And you'll have to
00:41:20
explain it by you know, the characters blind or visually
00:41:22
impaired or whatever in hammers case, like he's under
00:41:25
prosthetics. And in the clinic on case there's an eyepatch, and
00:41:29
also some prosthetics there. The other role I've played on
00:41:32
television, as a human as a blind doctor on a show called
00:41:35
transplant, had one day on a show called in the dark, where I
00:41:38
played the blind librarian. And again, that's answering for the
00:41:43
eyes. In Star Trek, though, to have me on there. It's like the
00:41:48
explanations could be vast, and that's exciting, the sidebar,
00:41:53
but when I was getting fitted for contact lenses initially to
00:41:57
play hammer, there was discussion at that time that
00:42:00
they were going to make me in an artificial eye because I were an
00:42:02
artificial eye, and they're like, oh, we'll just get you a
00:42:04
new one. And we'll paint it the color that we need it to be. So
00:42:07
you only work on one contact lens and your art and you'll
00:42:09
have this artificial lie, which made me immediately go cool. And
00:42:14
keeping that
00:42:17
John T Bolds: what are they gonna do with it in my head?
00:42:18
Like yeah,
00:42:19
Bruce Horak: my Yeah, exactly.
00:42:19
Oh, we'll give it to the next guy. No, they're like actually
00:42:21
fitted for my socket. But they could build anything. Like they
00:42:25
could build an artificial eye that that has an actual like,
00:42:27
light in it. Or I've seen actually there's, there's a guy
00:42:31
in the states who makes artificial eyes that you kind of
00:42:33
wave at they've got a Bluetooth thing and then they can project
00:42:36
like little images and things out of them. Oh, wow. We could
00:42:39
do anything with that. It'd be super cool. Yeah, and then in
00:42:41
terms of the character type, I mean, I like I really like
00:42:45
playing villains. I spent the last year playing a lot of
00:42:48
villains I played Macbeth, I played Oedipus Richard the third
00:42:51
and the last year, so I seem to have a bit of a typecasting. So
00:42:56
I've gone from horrible evil cling on to, you know, some of
00:43:00
the worst murderers in history.
00:43:03
You know what I want to play a love interest. And even Hey,
00:43:10
there we go. Yeah.
00:43:12
Cameron: I've had a couple of romantic villains. Yeah, yeah,
00:43:15
absolutely.
00:43:15
Bruce Horak: There it is.
00:43:16
Cameron: There's still music cast sidewalk, right.
00:43:19
Unknown: Oh,
00:43:20
Bruce Horak: they're bringing them to God who, right. They
00:43:22
gotta.
00:43:23
Jesse: I mean, if they don't, I would almost, like just respect
00:43:28
the level of trolling. Yeah. I feel like they gotta
00:43:34
John T Bolds: just never again one little hit. Yeah. Well, just
00:43:39
Bruce Horak: the back of them.
00:43:39
That's it.
00:43:42
John T Bolds: On the heels of that, we have a similar question
00:43:43
from our friend, Mark. Hi,
00:43:46
Engineer Mark: everyone, its engineer mark here. And welcome
00:43:49
back to the show. Bruce Horak, happy to not only be a supporter
00:43:53
of this show, but also a buddy of your adventures. And it's
00:43:58
been fun with hemmer and then surprise goes Tamar, then the
00:44:03
extra fun surprise of Kpop cling on dark hog core cog. You've
00:44:08
talked of getting back on the show. Something I'd very much
00:44:12
like to see. For my question, is there something you'd like to
00:44:16
bring in a return to the Trek Universe one of the other myriad
00:44:20
races something unique? I'd like to hear Thanks and we'll live
00:44:26
long and prosper.
00:44:27
John T Bolds: So with you know, you playing different roles like
00:44:30
you know, Jeffrey Combs has played how many different
00:44:34
species he's played and Dorian human for ranky like all over
00:44:37
the place, I think, trying to remember if he's played any
00:44:40
other but Yeah, is there if you if you had a chance to just
00:44:45
become in that same in that same small club with Vaughn Armstrong
00:44:49
and Jeffrey Combs like, what
00:44:52
Bruce Horak: do you choose to illusion?
00:44:55
John T Bolds: Oh, yeah, that's a good show.
00:45:00
Bruce Horak: Like a renegade to illusion. The big green head
00:45:04
space and I'll follow
00:45:09
Unknown: the whale probe.
00:45:11
Bruce Horak: I want to play the whale probe. Voyager but like a
00:45:16
young feature
00:45:18
Jesse: starting there
00:45:21
John T Bolds: playing its records too loud. Yeah, no.
00:45:26
Bruce Horak: Just all the weird like, make some bad choices.
00:45:30
Yeah, you know what I do love. I love the prosthetics and it's
00:45:33
funny like thinking of playing that the human on Star Trek that
00:45:37
I really do. I love prosthetics.
00:45:37
I love the the mask work. I love the magic of seeing those things
00:45:40
come to life. I think there's some some real artistry to that.
00:45:44
And yeah, and also I did think in my, my youth think about
00:45:52
getting into acting because I wanted to disappear into
00:45:56
characters. And I think that's that still holds true. I really
00:45:59
love. I love that my brother didn't know it was me. Like
00:46:03
that. To me. That's that's such a talk about a bucket list
00:46:06
thing. Yeah. And to transform in that way. And I think the
00:46:10
prosthetic work is just, it's magic for that. More more
00:46:14
awesome aliens. There's been such good ones.
00:46:19
John T Bolds: Bad you are nailing our questions. Our
00:46:22
callers questions here. You sort of pre answered this one from
00:46:25
our good friend Abby. But I think you're going to enjoy Oh,
00:46:28
Abby from First Flight: great.
00:46:28
Hey, open pike. And Bruce, this is Abby, summer from the first
00:46:31
flight podcast. So glad to have you back on again, Bruce. And I
00:46:34
have to tell you that I have two young daughters and both of
00:46:37
them. Anytime that you're clinging on part of subspace
00:46:40
Rhapsody comes on, they stopped, they sing, they dance, they love
00:46:43
it. I had to explain to one of my daughter's teachers while she
00:46:47
was talking about making your blood scream on the playground,
00:46:50
which just gives me a chuckle.
00:46:53
And we were all good with it when it was done. But my
00:46:55
question is, you've played a lot of characters with a lot of
00:46:59
makeup and prosthetics and all that. Can you talk a little bit
00:47:02
about how that both helps and hinders the process. And if you
00:47:06
have any wishes, or hopes have a different type of alien species
00:47:10
to play at some point, either on track or in the rest of the
00:47:14
world. So thank you all for all that you do. hope this finds
00:47:17
you. Well, and we'll talk soon.
00:47:18
Bruce Horak: Thank you. Thank you b for that. Yeah, I just I
00:47:22
really do love the prosthetics.
00:47:22
I'm
00:47:25
Cameron: curious that outside of Star Trek, what other space
00:47:29
franchises would you like to embody?
00:47:31
Bruce Horak: Oh, yeah, yeah, space space franchises or
00:47:36
fantasy room? I'm a huge fan of, of Terry Pratchett. Wow, who
00:47:40
wrote the Discworld novels. And I know that there's been various
00:47:45
attempts to, to film them. But I just think there's, there's such
00:47:50
a breadth of material there. And I would love to get involved in,
00:47:56
in performing the some of those amazing characters. You know,
00:48:00
the trolls and the dwarves and whatnot. That will be awesome.
00:48:04
He also wrote some, you know, outside of the Discworld stuff,
00:48:07
he wrote a few kids books that I thought would be, there's one
00:48:10
called the carpet people. I think about little people living
00:48:15
in the carpet, which is got that Terry Pratchett polarity to it,
00:48:18
but also a bit of like, oh, this is a metaphor for life. As you
00:48:23
do Yeah. With the with the writing. I was also raised on
00:48:30
the Oz books, l frame bombs, original books. And I'm just
00:48:36
rereading. Now I read like three pages of a L Frank Baum book and
00:48:40
it puts me to sleep like that.
00:48:40
And I'm rereading Dorothy and the wizard in Oz, which brings
00:48:43
them back to Oz. That they're not there yet. But there's a big
00:48:48
basically California as a huge earthquake and the wizard and
00:48:51
Dorothy in a what and the talking horse fallen into the
00:48:54
underworld and had on their way to Oz and beat all sorts of
00:48:58
really bizarre creatures. That would be fun. To play the
00:49:02
wizard. I
00:49:05
Cameron: mean, if you were in a production wizard of oz
00:49:07
recently, weren't you? Who did you play?
00:49:09
Bruce Horak: I did. Yeah, I was.
00:49:09
I was I played the Scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz for Alberta
00:49:12
theater projects. And then, as I was saying, like, I just
00:49:17
recorded my first full length audio book, but a year and a
00:49:20
half ago, maybe recorded.
00:49:24
There's an accessible version of The Wizard of Oz that's coming
00:49:27
out. And I'll send you links and information on it. But for that,
00:49:33
I think there were eight or 10 artists that got together all
00:49:36
with varying levels of visual impairment and voiced for the
00:49:40
novel so there's a narrator and then the characters come in and
00:49:43
I voiced the Scarecrow for that audiobook which hopefully will
00:49:48
see the later date so that's cool. I made a made a think an
00:49:52
odd choice, in that I basically did him as Sam Elliott.
00:49:58
John T Bolds: No choice came for a good choice. Yeah.
00:50:02
Bruce Horak: Yeah. Uh, did you stay outdoors? Wait,
00:50:06
Cameron: I also played the Scarecrow, but I was like 11 So
00:50:09
I didn't make any choices.
00:50:13
Unknown: I was just floppy.
00:50:13
Yeah.
00:50:17
John T Bolds: That's what I'm getting from. This is Dorothy
00:50:18
Gale is a natural disaster magnet tornadoes or earthquakes?
00:50:23
Yeah,
00:50:24
Cameron: pretty. Some people got all the luck. So you say you
00:50:27
love the prosthetics? What is it, you do love about the
00:50:29
prosthetics. Its
00:50:31
Bruce Horak: foundation of a lot of my work as a performer is
00:50:33
mask work. It's the thing that really clicked for me was
00:50:39
started out with a thing called neutral mask in theater school.
00:50:43
And it's a physical embodiment.
00:50:43
That, yeah, it I find it transformative. When I look at
00:50:49
my, the mask in the mirror, like, my body takes on a
00:50:55
different shape. And because the shape of the body has changed,
00:50:57
the voice is affected by that.
00:51:00
And the movement all comes from that. And it's a really, I find
00:51:06
it a very visceral and really connected way to work in
00:51:10
character. It's very much an outside in approach. And I yeah,
00:51:16
that just really, it appeals to me. So getting into those
00:51:20
prosthetics, it's, I find it just completely transformative.
00:51:24
And as soon as I put hammer on, and, and the wardrobe and moved
00:51:29
around in that and I was able to take some film of myself and
00:51:32
zoom in so I could really see how was the head moving? Like do
00:51:35
the antenna shake when he walks?
00:51:35
Or what's the best way to hold this face? And you know, what,
00:51:38
where do the Where do the eyes sit and all that and it changed
00:51:42
my posture and just took on this physical being that a I could
00:51:46
get in and out of very, very fluidly. But at the end of the
00:51:52
day, like literally pull it off, washed off my face, and I was
00:51:56
out of character and going home and, and having a good night's
00:51:59
sleep. It's um, yeah, it's a really. I feel like it's
00:52:02
probably the healthiest process.
00:52:07
For me as a performer who has a tendency to bring my work home
00:52:11
with me.
00:52:12
Cameron: I can see that. Oh, well. Speaking of taking your
00:52:15
work home, it just proved that Abby was not making up stories
00:52:18
about her children singing general Garco dog. We do have
00:52:22
this clip she had sent a clip of her daughter singing to us to
00:52:25
play for Tom and Kay when they were on. But this little piece I
00:52:29
had been cut out because a lot of is unintelligible around it.
00:52:32
But there's one part you can definitely hear that is of note
00:52:36
to this conversation this is and that was her just
00:52:50
stumbling across her in recording or in secret that was
00:52:53
not performed. A product
00:52:57
Bruce Horak: that's that is so great. Oh my god.
00:53:00
Jesse: And by the way, Abby, I could not get out of this
00:53:04
interview. Without letting you specifically know that Bruce,
00:53:09
just in case you weren't aware did have a role in the third
00:53:13
episode of season two of a little show called warehouse 13
00:53:18
all the way back in 2010 as Philo Farnsworth and I know
00:53:23
you're a big warehouse 13 fan so we got to ask Bruce can you
00:53:27
remember that far back? What was warehouse 13 Lake?
00:53:33
Bruce Horak: Yeah, that was like one of my very first experiences
00:53:36
on a on a big set. It was it was electric. I felt bad at the end
00:53:44
of that day. Like I was completely worn out. It was so
00:53:47
much fun. Very Fast Schedule.
00:53:47
And we had pop it into that series. I really liked warehouse
00:53:53
13 Like it just has a flavor of like fun and funny X Files meets
00:53:58
like yeah, Indiana Jones like anyway, it's it. I really
00:54:05
enjoyed the show. And yeah, kind of getting to drop in as the
00:54:08
Easter egg of Philo Farnsworth who's like, yeah, man. He was.
00:54:11
He's awesome. He invented that thing. Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
00:54:15
It's it's, it's it's nice to kind of look at the series and
00:54:20
feel like I had, you know some contribution at least to the
00:54:24
canon.
00:54:26
John T Bolds: Philo Farnsworth, great YUTAN I'll just say that.
00:54:29
We briefly touched on conventions in our first chat
00:54:32
with you but you've done more of them since obviously, we met up
00:54:35
with you in Las Vegas last year.
00:54:35
How do you like the convention circuit?
00:54:39
Bruce Horak: I really have been enjoying myself on that. Yeah, I
00:54:43
did trek Long Island and voltcom and, and Vegas last year and I
00:54:48
really really enjoyed it.
00:54:48
Meaning the fans is is the best I mean, this you know what
00:54:52
Jonathan Frakes said at my first convention is like it's all love
00:54:56
who doesn't love love? Um, To Yeah, I really, really enjoy it.
00:55:04
Unknown: I want to do more.
00:55:08
Jesse: For those of you listening, make sure you get
00:55:10
your tickets for trek Long Island, because open bike night
00:55:13
will be there this year.
00:55:13
Absolutely. And we have one more caller here, our friend Jen.
00:55:20
Jenn: Hi, open pike. This is Jim. So glad you guys got to
00:55:24
come back on the show. I'm one of his patrons. So I get lots of
00:55:30
information all the time. So I did want to say thank you,
00:55:34
Bruce, for the painting you didn't my mother, it was
00:55:37
awesome. I guess the only question I really have, it's not
00:55:39
really related to Star Trek or anything. As someone who's
00:55:44
recently lost pretty much all of my most of my peripheral vision.
00:55:50
I was wondering, in your struggles, and in your vision
00:55:54
issues, if you have any advice on adapting, I mean, I think I'm
00:55:59
adapted. And then, you know, I go into a new location. And I'm
00:56:04
like, all over the place bumping into stuff. So do you have any
00:56:08
tips for people who've recently had vision issues? If that makes
00:56:13
sense?
00:56:14
Bruce Horak: Definitely, definitely makes sense. Hey,
00:56:16
Jen, thank you for the question.
00:56:16
And thanks for your support on Patreon. I really appreciate
00:56:20
that. And Mark from earlier as another patron huge thanks for
00:56:23
that. And the I feel you're on the vision issues, my my vision
00:56:29
continues to deteriorate. And I wouldn't say like drastic ways,
00:56:36
but certainly noticeable like my night vision is almost nil. And
00:56:39
when I sigh especially notice that when I go from one lighting
00:56:45
environment to another, and like, it's just takes me a lot
00:56:49
longer to adjust to that. And over the course of my life, I
00:56:53
think the the big big lesson, and I hear this from a lot of my
00:56:58
visually impaired friends is as hard as it is
00:57:05
Unknown: slow down. So slow down,
00:57:10
don't need like, if you can help it, because obviously, there's
00:57:13
some situations where you know, you got to rush, but if you can
00:57:16
help it slow down. Because you'll hear things you'll feel
00:57:23
things in taking your time that your brain will just not have
00:57:28
time to compute. And before you know what you've smacked your
00:57:30
head on a counter or you've missed a curb, or, you know, a
00:57:34
car has almost I mean, bikes whizzing by and all of that if
00:57:38
you're if you're a little bit slower and and it also affords
00:57:42
your your ears to open up a bit to the, to the dark spots that
00:57:47
your vision isn't seeing. I rely a lot more on my, because I'm
00:57:52
completely blind on my right side. So my right ear is like
00:57:55
cranked right up. And, you know, it's through practice of kind of
00:58:01
being a little bit slower. That that helps in that regard. I
00:58:05
hope that's helpful. And as always, incident forgiveness.
00:58:14
You bump into some says you say sorry, and or you know, or some
00:58:17
if you bump into someone say you're sorry, if you're bumping
00:58:19
into something and you say you're sorry, that's how you
00:58:22
know you're visually impaired.
00:58:25
Jesse: I'm gonna just go out on a limb here and say, Jen, offer
00:58:30
the people in your life, you know, a book reading so that
00:58:33
they'll drive you around. I mean, that sounds like a
00:58:36
wonderful gift that Bruce has been giving for years. So like,
00:58:39
clearly has merit, right?
00:58:41
Cameron: So is there anything you learned from your time on
00:58:44
strange new worlds that you've applied to your work in the
00:58:47
years since?
00:58:49
Unknown: Wow,
00:58:50
Bruce Horak: that's a big assumption that I learned
00:58:52
anything. Oh my goodness. Well, I'll tell you the experience of
00:59:01
so much interaction with the fans over it has really, it's
00:59:06
given me a great deal of reverence for the series. And I
00:59:11
look back on the episodes as I'm watching them now. Like you
00:59:14
know, having to go back and watching like even the animated
00:59:17
series. Like there's there's a nugget of the really wonderful
00:59:23
wisdom in those shows. And I think the the episodes that
00:59:27
really stick out for me and not I hope I'm not giving any
00:59:30
spoilers away for this season of discovery. But now the talking
00:59:34
about connection, and community and the power of community and
00:59:39
the power of being together. And what strange new worlds did in
00:59:44
that first season, through the adversity of basically you can't
00:59:49
sit in the same room as each other, you know, or having the
00:59:53
masks and the and all the mandates in place what they were
00:59:56
able to accomplish. through that adversity and the message of it
01:00:02
is so so strong and it is it's like we're so much better
01:00:05
together. And we go we go further together Yeah, it's
01:00:12
given me a real appreciation for the people in my life that that
01:00:18
have been with me for for so long and are willing to put up
01:00:23
with my, my insanity or my what's the word? artistic bent
01:00:36
Yeah, and just finding like finding similar weirdos who are
01:00:39
into my weird and, and I see that in like, you know, like I'm
01:00:44
not there's, you know Starfleet existed today I would not be a
01:00:49
member of it. I have none of the skills required to be a member
01:00:54
of the Federation starship. But the lesson of it is so
01:00:58
appreciated. Like, yeah, find your people. And this is what we
01:01:02
get with a horror and season one. It's like you found your
01:01:05
people put your roots down and get comfortable and it's going
01:01:09
to be an amazing ride. I find that that lesson strikes with me
01:01:15
every day as as, you know, gather those people with me and
01:01:20
go on this incredible adventure.
01:01:23
Unknown: Well said that, do
01:01:24
Jesse: you feel that your time as hammer? And you know,
01:01:28
spouting all this? technobabble?
01:01:28
And and these made up words, did that in any way help you? When
01:01:33
you were told, okay, now you got to spout medical jargon, as Adam
01:01:38
vary on transplant? Or is it all just you know,
01:01:43
Unknown: the scripts are all are unique? Oh, yeah, they're
01:01:47
they're all very unique, but that it's funny like I breaking
01:01:52
down medical jargon and breaking down space jargon. And breaking
01:01:56
down Shakespeare are all very similar. And it's, it's an
01:02:00
approach that, you know, kind of kind of picked up in college as
01:02:04
we, under the incredible direction of and Scripture and
01:02:07
Tom Bessie, who were my my theater instructors at Mount
01:02:11
Royal, and did voice and Tom to text. Really like the guidance
01:02:17
of that, basically sit down with a dictionary next year lines and
01:02:24
break these words down because they there is a meaning in them,
01:02:27
you know, and it may not be like immediately obvious on the first
01:02:32
read or the second or the third read. But as you sit down and
01:02:34
actually break the words down, then the the meaning comes in
01:02:37
once you know what you're saying that there isn't, there isn't
01:02:41
another word for that. That's the word that that is the word
01:02:45
to describe that thing. Or that emotion or that action or
01:02:48
whatever. So it just starts to click, but it takes a little bit
01:02:51
of shifting with the brain because yeah, it's not like, you
01:02:54
know, regular parlance. Not that I speak regular parlance because
01:02:57
I use words like parlane parlance.
01:03:02
John T Bolds: Sam Elliot coming back out. Yeah. Got it.
01:03:08
Jesse: Yeah, everybody's been wondering about a role for Bruce
01:03:11
in the future of Star Trek. I'm thinking robot cowboy, who is
01:03:16
also an antagonist. Oh, man.
01:03:19
Bruce Horak: They're evil robot cowboy.
01:03:23
John T Bolds: High Noon. Like I mean, come on. Yeah.
01:03:28
Bruce Horak: They've been looking. Let's turn right. So
01:03:31
Cameron: we do have to ask out right, at some point, like, are
01:03:35
you coming back? Are their words is presort coming back to start
01:03:38
checking anyway?
01:03:42
Unknown: Well, if I say no, will that stop people from reading or
01:03:46
from watching season three?
01:03:46
Probably not. Yet? Yeah. There's nothing on the horizon for me.
01:03:53
Which, you know, breaks my heart. But, you know, Season
01:03:58
Four is still to be written.
01:04:04
Jesse: I don't know. But it has been great. Send some angry
01:04:07
emails. Yeah.
01:04:08
Bruce Horak: Send it send lots of emails. You know, the fans
01:04:11
brought the series back, they can bring back a horror.
01:04:13
Exactly,
01:04:14
Cameron: exactly. Well, we've given them lots of good ideas
01:04:17
today for sure. Send
01:04:19
John T Bolds: emails, click on the links in Bruce's
01:04:21
newsletters. Come on
01:04:22
Bruce Horak: people just just a big moustache.
01:04:26
John T Bolds: So what if anything, can you tell us about
01:04:29
blind man's bluff? Oh,
01:04:30
Unknown: well, blind man's bluff is an adaptation of a show that
01:04:34
I've been doing called assassinating Thompson where I I
01:04:37
paint a portrait of the entire audience in blind man's bluff. I
01:04:41
do that that similar trick where I paint a portrait of the entire
01:04:45
audience and I get to talk about it's basically a one person show
01:04:50
so I paint the whole audience portrait, turn it around and
01:04:54
auction it off to the highest bidder and give the proceeds to
01:04:57
a local charity. But the con And to the show is is me telling my
01:05:02
story of how I become a visually impaired artist and wind up on
01:05:05
the bridge of the Starship Enterprise? Oh, that's great.
01:05:09
And yeah, the dream is, here's my dream, which I'm putting on
01:05:14
to open pipeline, which is, I would like to be named as a
01:05:19
cultural ambassador for Canada.
01:05:19
And I would like to tour that show to embassies around the
01:05:22
world promoting Canadian art, and being an advocate for
01:05:26
disability awareness. Nice to know are there.
01:05:32
Jesse: Are there any specific steps that fans and listeners
01:05:34
can take to help that become a reality for you?
01:05:37
Bruce Horak: Well, right, your Richard congressman. I really
01:05:45
don't know how to make this a reality.
01:05:48
Unknown: Other than to basically keep putting it out there, I'm
01:05:52
sure there is someone who's got a connection somewhere. Yeah,
01:05:55
it's getting to paint and getting to tell that story. And
01:05:59
you know, using that using those gifts for, for good, is, is
01:06:04
pretty thrilling. Last year, I did a tour of assassinating
01:06:07
Thompson in Manitoba. And after each show, I auctioned the
01:06:11
portrait off and donated the proceeds to Canadian Guide Dogs
01:06:14
for the Blind. And last year, over the course of one month, we
01:06:19
raised $10. Wow, Guide Dogs for the Blind is a charity
01:06:24
that's really near and dear to my heart. Someday I would love
01:06:27
to get a service animal. It's a long process here in Canada. And
01:06:32
as you're probably aware of it, they're really quite remarkable
01:06:37
creatures. You know, they can only work for five years, and
01:06:39
then they have to be retired. So you know, once you once you kind
01:06:43
of get into service animal territory, that they're really
01:06:46
rare. So it's my, it's my great honor to be able to support
01:06:50
that. Because I know what it does for people who are losing
01:06:53
their eyesight, like their worlds literally get smaller,
01:06:56
oftentimes from the periphery in and having the service animal I
01:07:00
mean, it's just basically opens the world for you again, not
01:07:03
only in companionship, but accessibility to the world.
01:07:06
Jesse: You heard him here, folks. start manifesting, put
01:07:09
the vibes out. Add the energy.
01:07:09
Let's do it.
01:07:13
Cameron: We'll get you out there. We'll get Melissa to
01:07:15
space. Yep,
01:07:16
Bruce Horak: we got system Yeah.
01:07:16
magic happens. Magic happens when we work together.
01:07:22
Unknown: Community.
01:07:24
John T Bolds: How many paintings into your project? Are you now?
01:07:26
Oh,
01:07:26
Unknown: I am at portrait number 706 In my the way I see it
01:07:32
portrait series. Yeah. So the big news is that there's a
01:07:36
production company here in Stratford, Ontario called Balan
01:07:39
ran entertainment. And they do a lot of documentary they were
01:07:43
responsible for producing and developing and creating a show
01:07:47
or documentary with William Shatner called captain's where
01:07:51
William Shatner goes and interviews. Five captains I
01:07:55
think Craig Thompson, the ballon ran entertainment reached out to
01:07:57
me about my art practice, particularly. And so we're in
01:08:01
development of a series right now called boldly going where I
01:08:06
it's going to be a half hour series, and I will sit and paint
01:08:09
a person's portrait and interview them and get their
01:08:11
life story. And basically, it's a combination of kind of the
01:08:14
blind man travels show, and, you know, a gentle Bob Ross
01:08:19
experience where I paint the portrait and chat with someone
01:08:21
and we're looking for people who are artists in their own way and
01:08:26
have overcome adversity in some form or another which leaves it
01:08:30
open, I think to some pretty cool adventures. So we're moving
01:08:35
the ball down the field as they say,
01:08:37
John T Bolds: that's cool. And I can personally attest that yeah,
01:08:39
sitting with Bruce is a super fun.
01:08:42
Unknown: Oh, yeah,
01:08:43
Bruce Horak: John. Yes, he's sad. I'm sad. Yeah.
01:08:45
Cameron: Well, I've got to know about goblin Macbeth because it
01:08:48
sounds okay. And give us the pitch.
01:08:53
Unknown: Goblin Macbeth. So three goblins uncovered the
01:08:56
works of William Shakespeare. It takeover theater. And they
01:09:00
attempt to do the bloodiest and shortest of Shakespeare's works.
01:09:07
It is an absolute riot. We are goblin Macbeth is is kind of the
01:09:13
brainchild of Rebecca Northen, who, and myself as a co
01:09:18
conspirator, and our musician Ellis Leblond. And we've got
01:09:22
these Hollywood grade goblin masks. They're from a company
01:09:28
called composite effects in the states that build stuff for like
01:09:31
Game of Thrones style. So we've got these three goblin masks,
01:09:35
and these three characters basically show up at the theater
01:09:38
we break in. We forced the stage manager to run lights for us and
01:09:43
do a three person version of the Scottish play. At first what is
01:09:49
kind of unusual about is that the goblins are really good
01:09:52
Shakespeare and then they kind of step out every now and again
01:09:56
and comment on it and they're there. They find humans very
01:09:59
confused. thing in Goblin culture, they're like you don't
01:10:02
pretend. Pretending doesn't make any sense. And standing up in
01:10:06
front of a group of, of your peers and pretending to be
01:10:08
someone else is really weird, like, and in fact, if the other
01:10:14
goblins found out that we were doing this, they would probably
01:10:16
kill us. So there's a there's a heightened sense of that.
01:10:20
Anyway, GABA Macbeth has been touring. And it's a riot. It's a
01:10:26
lot of fun. sounds delightful.
01:10:26
So Ellis lon plays Moog and he does all the music and the
01:10:30
Rebecca and I play crag, WVA and Waag and crigler And what do all
01:10:33
the characters so we switch off sometimes halfway through a
01:10:38
scene will switch off and oddly are I'll you know, I'll start
01:10:42
playing macros and then bank will will walk in so I'll play
01:10:45
banquet too. And then I gotta move over here. So then Rebecca
01:10:49
takes over as Banquo for half of that line. And, and or sorry, I
01:10:52
should say Krakow mixing up my goblins. Yeah, it's, it's kind
01:10:56
of absurd. It's really fun. It's actually quite bloody. And
01:11:03
audiences have just been been eating it up. The best audiences
01:11:08
have actually been the high school matinees. There's a blend
01:11:11
of like, a reverence for Shakespeare, but also kind of
01:11:15
the fantastical realm and it's, it's got a bit of a goth vibe.
01:11:19
And it's really, really doesn't take itself too seriously. It's
01:11:24
a lot of fun. And then from that we've Rebecca and I just an LS
01:11:27
performed by goblin Oedipus at the High Performance rodeo in
01:11:33
Calgary in January. We did a week long run of that kind of
01:11:36
bit of a workshop production. We brought the we thought the
01:11:40
goblins kind of figured out Shakespeare and figured they got
01:11:44
that one. So they're gonna go back to the classics and they
01:11:46
rip apart. Oedipus Sophocles, go back to the Greeks. And that one
01:11:50
got really weird, and super fun.
01:11:54
Oh my god. Ellis built a four and a half foot tall. Paper mash
01:12:00
a phallus. And his goblin at the beginning brought in this giant
01:12:05
phallus and we sort of surfed it through the audience who were
01:12:07
lined up outside the theater and then we use it bang on the front
01:12:10
door of the theater to get let in to begin the festival of
01:12:13
Dionysus. Dionysus, of course, was the god of theater and, and
01:12:19
giant Wang's Goblin
01:12:21
Cameron: and Lysistrata.
01:12:22
John T Bolds: Well, there's an episode titled right they're
01:12:26
Bruce Horak: like we got into we got into mythology again. Yes,
01:12:31
you definitely knew this last time.
01:12:34
Jesse: Yeah, you mentioned earlier tonight, you know,
01:12:37
finding your your kind of people that are into you're kind of
01:12:40
weird. And I gotta say, I feel like you've done this. It seems
01:12:43
like you have six Yeah.
01:12:46
Unknown: Oh, yeah. No, it's it.
01:12:46
I don't remember when we my my my cohort and I started saying
01:12:50
this but yeah, it's like find your find your weird I think was
01:12:53
something discovered in your 20s is like, yeah, get the get the
01:12:57
people in your life who are who dig, you're weird. And you can't
01:13:00
really go wrong. Because it'd be it'd be there with people who
01:13:03
support your ideas and are willing to try this stuff. And
01:13:05
I've been very fortunate in my life to have quite an
01:13:09
adventurous cohort. I blame it all on loose moose Theatre in
01:13:13
Calgary and Keith Johnstone, who was an improv teacher out there
01:13:17
and taught us all to say yes, is that people who say no are going
01:13:20
to be rewarded with very safe lives, but people who say yes
01:13:23
will be rewarded with the adventures they have. And I take
01:13:26
that with me in my heart, I don't always practice it. You
01:13:31
know, because running into traffic is not always the best
01:13:35
idea. You got to say no, sometimes, but But uh, yeah,
01:13:38
it's I've been very, very blessed to to meet a fantastic
01:13:43
group of weirdos and they seem to be all over the all over the
01:13:48
globe. No Caray?
01:13:53
John T Bolds: That's great.
01:13:53
Well, in the spirit of saying, Yes. Bruce Horak open mic night
01:13:55
is an open mic night theme podcast. Do you have a joke to
01:14:00
tell us this evening?
01:14:05
Unknown: All right. What do an elephant and a grape have in
01:14:13
common? Hmm, they're both verbal.
01:14:19
Bruce Horak: Except for the elephant
01:14:24
Cameron: this is true. Accurate.
01:14:26
Unknown: Oh, and then the other one was in this goes back to my
01:14:29
Catholic roots. But Moses comes down from the mountains he's got
01:14:32
two tablets. He says alright everybody I got good news. I got
01:14:35
bad news. The good news is I got him down to 10 Bad news is
01:14:39
adultery still on the list?
01:14:39
Sorry It seems I don't know relevant given her current state
01:14:45
anyway. Hey,
01:14:48
Cameron: goblins in combat commandments. I'll be waiting
01:14:50
for that one.
01:14:52
Bruce Horak: Yeah, more we're we're definitely going to be
01:14:55
developing more goblin material.
01:14:55
The dream is to have a full goblin Empire by the time we're
01:14:58
ready to retire and love it.
01:15:03
Cameron: Can't wait till they discover Star Trek. Be sure
01:15:05
Jesse: to check out Bruce's website Bruce rock.com these
01:15:08
sound like shows that you want to go to knowing some of our
01:15:11
listeners and honestly, I want to go so like let's let's make
01:15:15
this happen you guys,
01:15:17
Bruce Horak: when the goblins be great at a track and then job
01:15:20
man
01:15:21
John T Bolds: doing Shakespeare, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Right.
01:15:25
Being, you know, looked up and down by Frankie and Klingons the
01:15:29
whole time like this. We need to get goblins in Star Trek. You're
01:15:33
right. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. This has
01:15:36
been great to see ya. Great to see you again. Great to spend
01:15:39
more time. And yeah, we can't wait to see what's coming next.
01:15:43
Bruce Horak: Have a great time in New York. I was around Long
01:15:46
Island. It was there last year.
01:15:46
It was a lot of fun. Thank you,
01:15:48
Cameron: Lord God. Yeah, we've gotten so excited for do it.
01:15:52
John T Bolds: Well, like Bruce mentioned, we are going to be at
01:15:55
trek Long Island this year.
01:15:55
Isn't that right cam? That's
01:15:58
Cameron: right. Very excited for both open pragma and green shirt
01:16:01
to have a presence at trek Long Island.
01:16:04
Jesse: And we can finally announce that Kim and John will
01:16:06
be hosting a Star Trek Discovery panel called Let's fly which is
01:16:11
a spotlight on all of Star Trek Discovery. And there gonna be
01:16:15
some serious names on stage with them alias to fix us who plays
01:16:18
lock Janet Kidder who plays those Saira. Tara Rosling who
01:16:22
plays to Rena our favorite Vulcan and Orville Cummings, who
01:16:26
plays Lieutenant Christopher.
01:16:26
They're going to look back at the whole season talk about
01:16:29
memories answer fan questions, and that's going to be Saturday
01:16:32
at 4pm on the main stage. Yeah, no big deal. Yeah. Wait, cannot
01:16:38
wait. But since we do have to wait, Cameron, when you're not
01:16:43
on the bike night stage, where can folks find you? vacuuming
01:16:49
Cameron: up the last season of Star Trek The Next Generation
01:16:51
over on green shirts. We're we're finishing up that series
01:16:55
as well as tackling Deep Space Nine.
01:16:57
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